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Will the Giants have 4 Rookies start this year?

youtoo2 : 6/15/2018 9:36 am
Saquon Barkley and Hernandez are certain to start.

I think DL BJ Hill was taking first team snaps during OTAs.

The Giants have been weak at LB and now they need for, has Lorenzo Carter been taking first round reps? How has he looked?
Probably ease in Saquon over the season versus start right away  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 9:52 am : link
Remember Jonathan Stewart was brought in for big money...
RE: Probably ease in Saquon over the season versus start right away  
djstat : 6/15/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 13991783 Jimmy Googs said:
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Remember Jonathan Stewart was brought in for big money...
Big Money? Jonathan Stewart signed a two year, $6.9 million contract with the Giants. Stewart received $2.95 million in guarantees.

Barkley starts day 1
So they drafted a RB #2 overall  
UberAlias : 6/15/2018 9:59 am : link
So they can start Jonathan Stewart?
I think  
Pete in MD : 6/15/2018 10:00 am : link
three is more likely. OV and Kareem Martin will start at OLB IMO. Carter will definitely get playing time.
I can't see Carter starting  
UberAlias : 6/15/2018 10:01 am : link
as a rookie.
Not at the start of the season  
superspynyg : 6/15/2018 10:03 am : link
They will have 2 with Hill and Carter as main rotTion/ depth guys.

Next year yes....

We got 4 starters in this draft in MHO. Great first draft by Getts!

But itís all contingent on hw hard Carter and Hill work and how fast they learn.
Hill will be given every opportunity to start  
WillieYoung : 6/15/2018 10:17 am : link
I don't think Kerry Winn or Josh Mauro will be so much better than Hill that they get the start ahead of him. Hill has the Snacks' seal of approval.
^  
jc in c-ville : 6/15/2018 10:22 am : link
Sarcasm. Come on folks, try and keep up.

See Barkley
RE: RE: Probably ease in Saquon over the season versus start right away  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 10:32 am : link
In comment 13991789 djstat said:
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In comment 13991783 Jimmy Googs said:


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Remember Jonathan Stewart was brought in for big money...

Big Money? Jonathan Stewart signed a two year, $6.9 million contract with the Giants. Stewart received $2.95 million in guarantees.

Barkley starts day 1


That is easily starter money in the NFL. Go look at what the eagles pay their running backs...
with all the subbing that occurs in today's game  
Giantsfan79 : 6/15/2018 10:33 am : link
who really cares who starts anymore? Everyone will play.
Mauro  
Pete in MD : 6/15/2018 10:45 am : link
serving a 4-game PED suspension also opens the door for Hill.
RE: RE: RE: Probably ease in Saquon over the season versus start right away  
Jeff : 6/15/2018 10:50 am : link
In comment 13991830 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 13991789 djstat said:


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In comment 13991783 Jimmy Googs said:


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Remember Jonathan Stewart was brought in for big money...

Big Money? Jonathan Stewart signed a two year, $6.9 million contract with the Giants. Stewart received $2.95 million in guarantees.

Barkley starts day 1



That is easily starter money in the NFL. Go look at what the eagles pay their running backs...



No Way Stewart starts IMHO..have you heard his name mentioned once in ANY OTA reports since the draft.
Come to think of it  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 10:52 am : link
I havenít heard his name...

RB is the one position that doesn't need to be eased in  
Sonic Youth : 6/15/2018 10:54 am : link
We spent a fucking second overall on a goddamn RB. He better start from Day 1 and he better start each game for at least 5 years.
Barkley will start immediately, just as Pederson and Elliott  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2018 10:57 am : link
did.
RE: RB is the one position that doesn't need to be eased in  
Giantsfan79 : 6/15/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 13991848 Sonic Youth said:
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We spent a fucking second overall on a goddamn RB. He better start from Day 1 and he better start each game for at least 5 years.


Curious what your definition of starting is? What percentage of players per game does Barkley have to be on the field for in order to be considered a starter? Or if we're going by carries does he need at least 20 a game, 25 some other #?
He was the #2 pick in the draft  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/15/2018 11:22 am : link
He'll take every snap he's healthy and active for. Non-QBs don't usually get 'eased in'. Beckham would've started from game 1 if he had been healthy.
And heís still unsigned  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 11:29 am : link
Presume Stewart and Gallman will be the guys if SB holds out...
8 of the top 10 picks are unsigned  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/15/2018 11:34 am : link
It's fine.
RE: RE: RB is the one position that doesn't need to be eased in  
UberAlias : 6/15/2018 11:35 am : link
In comment 13991861 Giantsfan79 said:
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In comment 13991848 Sonic Youth said:


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We spent a fucking second overall on a goddamn RB. He better start from Day 1 and he better start each game for at least 5 years.



Curious what your definition of starting is? What percentage of players per game does Barkley have to be on the field for in order to be considered a starter? Or if we're going by carries does he need at least 20 a game, 25 some other #?
Hopefully it won't come down to us having to quibble over definitions. If Barkley isn't establishing himself as the guy among this group of glad to have a job-ers, then we've made a mistake. But I highly doubt it will come to that.
Giants will start 3  
George from PA : 6/15/2018 11:46 am : link
Barkley
Hernandez
Hill
RE: RE: RB is the one position that doesn't need to be eased in  
Sonic Youth : 6/15/2018 11:51 am : link
In comment 13991861 Giantsfan79 said:
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In comment 13991848 Sonic Youth said:


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We spent a fucking second overall on a goddamn RB. He better start from Day 1 and he better start each game for at least 5 years.



Curious what your definition of starting is? What percentage of players per game does Barkley have to be on the field for in order to be considered a starter? Or if we're going by carries does he need at least 20 a game, 25 some other #?
I'd look at it as % of touches, and I'd hope he'd justify getting 75-80% of the touches out of the RB group (off the top of my head).

But as another poster said, it's really just about establishing himself as an integral part (and potentially centerpiece) of the office.
RE: RE: RE: Probably ease in Saquon over the season versus start right away  
giants#1 : 6/15/2018 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13991830 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 13991783 Jimmy Googs said:


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Remember Jonathan Stewart was brought in for big money...

Big Money? Jonathan Stewart signed a two year, $6.9 million contract with the Giants. Stewart received $2.95 million in guarantees.

Barkley starts day 1



That is easily starter money in the NFL. Go look at what the eagles pay their running backs...


Barkley makes double that (~$7.8M AAV) so if its all about the contracts, then why would Stewart start?

Stewart's the 22nd highest paid RB in the NFL so I guess technically he makes 'starter' money, but it's not a ridiculous amount.
RE: Probably ease in Saquon over the season versus start right away  
giants#1 : 6/15/2018 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13991783 Jimmy Googs said:
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Remember Jonathan Stewart was brought in for big money...


Dalvin Cook started right off the bat with the Vikes, despite Murray being brought in for "big money" ($5M AAV).
RE: Hill will be given every opportunity to start  
giants#1 : 6/15/2018 12:05 pm : link
In comment 13991819 WillieYoung said:
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I don't think Kerry Winn or Josh Mauro will be so much better than Hill that they get the start ahead of him. Hill has the Snacks' seal of approval.


Mauro's suspended 4 games, so he definitely won't be starting. I agree that Hill pushes Wynn for the other DE spot.
RE: RE: RE: RB is the one position that doesn't need to be eased in  
giants#1 : 6/15/2018 12:12 pm : link
In comment 13991894 Sonic Youth said:
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I'd look at it as % of touches, and I'd hope he'd justify getting 75-80% of the touches out of the RB group (off the top of my head).

But as another poster said, it's really just about establishing himself as an integral part (and potentially centerpiece) of the office.


I don't think you want him getting a set % of RB touches. The Eagles/Cowboys had ~530 RB touches last year. You really want Barkley getting 400-420 touches for the season? For reference, Zeke had ~350 touches his rookie season.

I think ideally Barkley would have 300-350 touches for the season which is 19-22 touches/game. Don't want him worn down during the playoff run...
Barkley is the day 1 starter  
ZogZerg : 6/15/2018 12:15 pm : link
Don't know if some of you are joking or just morons?
hahah  
giantfan2000 : 6/15/2018 12:32 pm : link
no only is Barkley is the day 1 starter

We will run the freaking ball on the first offense play of the season
I can see at least Hill, Barkley and Hernandez.........  
Simms11 : 6/15/2018 1:10 pm : link
Carter will be a situational guy this year, unless there's injuries.

You have to start Barkley on Day 1. A guy that's that talented won't be sitting on the bench waiting for his turn. OBJ would have been an instant starter had he not had a hammy. So far he's given the Giants no reason to believe he can't handle it. I, for one, can't wait to see what he is in Pre-Season.
Nothing wrong with these talented rookies starting  
Alwaysblue22 : 6/15/2018 1:52 pm : link
We will be a better team. Last years veteran team would not have beaten Alabama.
RE: with all the subbing that occurs in today's game  
baadbill : 6/15/2018 2:14 pm : link
In comment 13991831 Giantsfan79 said:
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who really cares who starts anymore? Everyone will play.


Agree. I'd define "starting" as the player who gets the most snaps at a particular position in a game and not just the player who happens to get the call on the opening play.

And I have to believe that the NJ betting odds on who gets the most snaps at RB for the Giants for game #1 will be Barkley, going away.
This is a real test for our coaching staff,  
TMS : 6/15/2018 5:23 pm : link
Hard to put a team together this fast. Doubt we do well in the first half of of the season. But it has been done before. Hoping for the best.
RE: And heís still unsigned  
TMS : 6/15/2018 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13991879 Jimmy Googs said:
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Presume Stewart and Gallman will be the guys if SB holds out...
LOL you think Barkley will not be signed ?
If Carter is a primary rusher in nickel and dime packages...  
Big Blue Blogger : 6/16/2018 7:08 am : link
...that's plenty of playing time. Doesn't matter whether he starts. Give him a year to fill out his frame and master a complex LB role in an NFL defense.
The likely starting LBs are Martin, Goodson, Ogletree and Vernon.  
Big Blue Blogger : 6/16/2018 7:14 am : link
Vernon and Ogletree are locks. Just look at their contracts. Martin makes pretty good coin too. Goodson could be vulnerable - especially if he gets dinged again - but he and Carter play different positions.

I like the Giants' OLB depth/rotation. ILB is a different story. Goodson and Ogletree need to show up big time, and stay healthy.
Googs doing his best arc impression  
adamg : 6/16/2018 9:32 pm : link
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Barkley is the Immediate starter  
Alwaysblue22 : 6/18/2018 8:42 am : link
Stewart was signed in case the Browns snagged Barkley. Then the Giants would not have taken a RB until the 2nd or 3rd round. In That event the rookie Rb would be eased in. Barkley is already better than Stewart and 3/4 of the backs in the league. Stewart will still be used to give Barkley a rest. I see Stewart getting 1/4 of the snaps and Barkley 3/4 of the plays. Barkley and Zeke are the two ELITE backs in the NFL. I do not see anyone else being close in terms of the combination of running catching and blocking. There are many backs who are good power runners but cannot play the receiver type roll and block as well as Barkley. And Barkley can also run with power between the tackles although there are other backs who can run between the tackles better than him ( like that back for the Jags) but cannot do the other things mentioned as well.
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