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Two names I like for OC ..

NYBEN1963 : 2/12/2018 8:41 am
One with a ton of experience and one that can be groomed by Shurmur.
1- Jim Caldwell a long time coach and a outstanding playcaller and quite frankly a pretty good HC as well I really think he got a raw deal in Detroit. He would be perfect to work with Shurmur learn his offense then take over playcalling the following season.

2-Ike Hilliard has been a coach in the league for close to ten years, and may be ready to take that next step. One of the things everyone said about Hilliard as a player is that he had great smarts on the field and knew the assignments of all the WR positions. Would love to see him promoted and groomed as the next OC. Would much rather have Ike than Staley if the plan is to promote someone with no prior OC experience.
would you suggest Hilliard  
Rocky369 : 2/12/2018 9:05 am : link
if he hadn't played for the Giants? I want coaches, not former players.
Thoughts  
lugnut : 2/12/2018 9:13 am : link
Seriously doubt Caldwell would consider OC under Shurmur -- it's not just a step down but a step and a half, considering Shurmur will be calling plays. BTW, EVERY HC in Detroit gets a raw deal; it still doesn't mean Caldwell is a good HC. His game management and in-game decisions were notorious around here. That said, yeah, he might be a good OC for us.

Hilliard -- Yeah, maybe. I know nothing about his coaching history/ability, but if he's under Shurmur's wing, might be as good as anyone else out there.
Ike Hilliard  
mrvax : 2/12/2018 9:26 am : link
has only worked with WRs. I'd think he'd need some QB coaching before he becomes an OC.
Caldwell  
joeinpa : 2/12/2018 9:49 am : link
Is an interesting choice. But is there a connection between him and Shurmur?
I disagree that Caldwell is a good fit.  
Section331 : 2/12/2018 9:55 am : link
Shurmer runs a WCO hybrid, I don't believe Caldwell has ever worked within a WCO scheme. That, and not calling plays would be a huge step down for a SB-winning coach.
How about  
Jolly Blue Giant : 2/12/2018 10:06 am : link
Jim Fassel?
RE: How about  
jeff57 : 2/12/2018 10:11 am : link
In comment 13829693 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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Jim Fassel?



Oh  
Jolly Blue Giant : 2/12/2018 10:12 am : link
Gabbo....
RE: How about  
JohnB : 2/12/2018 10:14 am : link
In comment 13829693 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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Jim Fassel?


Ben McAdoo?
Fassel gets a bad rap  
GiantsLaw : 2/12/2018 11:02 am : link
went 10-5-1 with Kannel/Brown in '97 (NFCE champs)
went 8-8 with Kannel/Graham in '98
went 7-9 with Collins/Graham in '99
went 12-4 with Collins in '00 (NFCE & NFC champs)
went 7-9 with Collins in '01
went 10-6 with Collins in '02
went 4-12 with Collins/Palmer in '03

There were certainly some heartbreaking losses and it all fell apart in '03, but he was a pretty good coach considering the QBs he had. He's certainly not in the McAdoo/H----y class. His off the field antics cost him his coaching career.
Giantslaw  
Jolly Blue Giant : 2/12/2018 11:13 am : link
I agree. I was only half joking. He checks all the boxes for what the giants need right now in an OC/QB coach. (If he wasnít out of the league for so long)
RE: would you suggest Hilliard  
NYBEN1963 : 2/12/2018 11:29 am : link
In comment 13829642 Rocky369 said:
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if he hadn't played for the Giants? I want coaches, not former players.


Not following you..isn't Duce Staley a former player? Hilliard has been coaching close to 10 years
RE: Ike Hilliard  
NYBEN1963 : 2/12/2018 11:30 am : link
In comment 13829668 mrvax said:
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has only worked with WRs. I'd think he'd need some QB coaching before he becomes an OC.


Duce Staley has only coated specials and RBs
RE: Caldwell  
NYBEN1963 : 2/12/2018 11:31 am : link
In comment 13829680 joeinpa said:
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Is an interesting choice. But is there a connection between him and Shurmur?


There isn't one and maybe that is a good thing
RE: RE: Caldwell  
Section331 : 2/12/2018 11:33 am : link
In comment 13829794 NYBEN1963 said:
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There isn't one and maybe that is a good thing


The problem is that there is no connection with the types of offenses they've run. Caldwell would be an uninspired choice, and he wouldn't become an OC unless he could at least call plays, if not design the O.
Chris Morgan OLC Atlanta and  
idiotsavant : 2/12/2018 11:43 am : link
Seattle when Seattle had a good line. as OC. His line schemes and within shurmers overall O.

And Ike Hilliard AR wrs / QB coach.
why not Jim Fassel ?  
gtt350 : 2/12/2018 12:10 pm : link
.
Todd Downing former Oakland Raiders OC...  
GFAN52 : 2/12/2018 12:16 pm : link
is a name I think you could see.
Coach Shurmur....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 2/12/2018 12:33 pm : link
....doesn't strike me as a Jim Fassel kind of guy.
Ohio State OC  
Big Rick in FL : 2/12/2018 12:42 pm : link
Ryan Day is a guy I'd keep an eye on also. Worked under Shurmur with the Eagles in 2015. Young guy with QB coach experience.
Have to have an OC with an excellent resume  
montanagiant : 2/12/2018 12:52 pm : link
of working with QBs. That is a priority
RE: Have to have an OC with an excellent resume  
NYBEN1963 : 2/12/2018 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13829928 montanagiant said:
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of working with QBs. That is a priority



And Caldwell has that ...his work with Flacco as both QB coach and OC proves that.Flacco had his best years under Caldwell.he has not been nearly as good since Caldwell left.
RE: Ohio State OC  
GiantsLaw : 2/12/2018 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13829910 Big Rick in FL said:
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Ryan Day is a guy I'd keep an eye on also. Worked under Shurmur with the Eagles in 2015. Young guy with QB coach experience.
I think Vrabel already tried to pry Day away and tOSU gave him a raise and promotion.
Call me crazy but  
GiantTuff1 : 2/12/2018 1:52 pm : link
kinda wouldn't mind Fassel back here either. Not sure how in touch he is now, but would be a nice redemption story for him and with the team if it were able to work out.
RE: Call me crazy but  
GFAN52 : 2/12/2018 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13830025 GiantTuff1 said:
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kinda wouldn't mind Fassel back here either. Not sure how in touch he is now, but would be a nice redemption story for him and with the team if it were able to work out.


No...been there done that with Fassel. Plus the fact he'll be 69 when the season begins. Shurmur is calling the plans in any event.
RE: RE: Call me crazy but  
GiantsLaw : 2/12/2018 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13830044 GFAN52 said:
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kinda wouldn't mind Fassel back here either. Not sure how in touch he is now, but would be a nice redemption story for him and with the team if it were able to work out.
I don't think he has a place here. I don't think he'd be accepted by the fans or media. Not sure his ego would allow it either.
RE: Ohio State OC  
Rflairr : 2/12/2018 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13829910 Big Rick in FL said:
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Ryan Day is a guy I'd keep an eye on also. Worked under Shurmur with the Eagles in 2015. Young guy with QB coach experience.


Thatís a good one. Didnít think of that one. And Shurmur might have been waiting until after signing day to hire him. Weíll see
How does Fasselís 7 seasons compare to Coughlinís first 7 or last  
Ivan15 : 2/12/2018 4:32 pm : link
7 seasons?
Charlie Weis  
GeorgeAdams33 : 2/12/2018 4:54 pm : link
I would love to see Weis get the OC job. He always said that his dream job would be to be the head coach of the Giants. OC is a good consolation prize.
So what's Chris Palmer doing these days?  
Mike in Prescott : 2/12/2018 5:12 pm : link
Nowhere to be seen since Sexy Rexy got canned in Buffalo?
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