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So if itís Reich/Bevell in Indy and Pederson/Staley in Phil

Defenderdawg : 2/11/2018 4:10 pm
Whose next for NYG?

Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora)
2/11/18, 3:51 PM
Colts have been talking to Darrell Bevell for weeks about OC position. One of key positions on staff still unfilled


I canít see Eagles releasing Staley when theyíve lost Reich and DeFilippo

Zach Berman (@ZBerm)
2/11/18, 2:04 PM
D. Pederson knows staff defections are part of winning. Big test will be how he replaces original staff. He likes the idea of internal replacements and creating a pipeline, but also important to see what's available. Next few weeks will be busy.
I'm hoping there's a college guy who is under the radar  
adamg : 2/11/2018 4:13 pm : link
Fresh blood sounds like it could be more useful than an older OC who'll want more control.
Hope they got a plan  
antdog24 : 2/11/2018 4:15 pm : link
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If as rumored it was Stefanski and Defilipo as Shurmur's top choices..  
Torrag : 2/11/2018 4:16 pm : link
...then a guy with a track record developing QB's is a trait he covets. A QB whisperer. Look to those types with Minny blocking us on Stefanski.
Just following along  
Defenderdawg : 2/11/2018 4:17 pm : link
Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton)
2/11/18, 12:53 PM
Would be an even bigger surprise now if Eagles let Duce Staley interview for Giants OC. Makes sense if he ends up OC in Philly with Mike Groh bumping up as QB coach

Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton)
2/11/18, 4:01 PM
Bevell was college teammate of Colts GM Chris Ballard, so ...

Reich didnít call plays in Philly so above adds up:

Zach Berman (@ZBerm)
2/11/18, 1:40 PM
Frank Reich didn't call plays for the Eagles, but he had a big role in Eagles offense. Helped create the offense with D. Pederson, spends an hour-plus the night before games going over the play sheet with Pederson. Good sounding board for Pederson.
RE: I'm hoping there's a college guy who is under the radar  
old man : 2/11/2018 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13829239 adamg said:
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Fresh blood sounds like it could be more useful than an older OC who'll want more control.

I like me that idea.
The love affair with Stefanski really screwed us up: waiting for your girlfriend to finally say yes, she'll marry you, and when you finally think you'll get an answer, one way or another, her father says he won't let you see her any more.
Kaboom!!!
'really screwed us up'...  
Torrag : 2/11/2018 4:26 pm : link
...it really didn't. There wen't other desirable hires we 'missed out on' while waiting to see what happened with the vikings hire. Literally nothing has changed in the landscape of searching for our OC. Now we move on.
RE: RE: I'm hoping there's a college guy who is under the radar  
Milton : 2/11/2018 4:26 pm : link
In comment 13829249 old man said:
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Fresh blood sounds like it could be more useful than an older OC who'll want more control.


I like me that idea.
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This what Gettleman should do:  
mrvax : 2/11/2018 4:27 pm : link
Take Eli Manning upstairs. Tell Eli they are cutting his 2018 pay down by $3M. Hire Eli as a QB/OC. Pay him $4M for OC.

Goodell would shit himself.
Harold Goodwin  
jeff57 : 2/11/2018 4:34 pm : link
Former Cards OC is a possibility.
Thereís guys out there  
Sammo85 : 2/11/2018 4:39 pm : link
Sure we have lost out on some of Shurmurs familiar connections but bringing in a new or different perspective isnít always bad.

I wonder if Jim Caldwell might be a guy willing to consider staying in the game for a little while longer as an OC.

Wonder if they give Sean Ryan a call or even Mike Mularkey.
Several good coaches out there  
Rflairr : 2/11/2018 4:54 pm : link
Chudzinski, Goodwin, Dorsey, etc....
Todd Downing former Oakland Raiders OC...  
GFAN52 : 2/11/2018 4:55 pm : link
is available.
RE: This what Gettleman should do:  
mort christenson : 2/11/2018 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13829252 mrvax said:
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Take Eli Manning upstairs. Tell Eli they are cutting his 2018 pay down by $3M. Hire Eli as a QB/OC. Pay him $4M for OC.

Goodell would shit himself.
no he wouldn't. First, Eli would never.

More importantly, it's not legal anyway. Completely against NFL rules. Contract would never be approved.
RE: RE: This what Gettleman should do:  
mrvax : 2/11/2018 5:10 pm : link
In comment 13829267 mort christenson said:
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More importantly, it's not legal anyway. Completely against NFL rules. Contract would never be approved.


It's kinda sorta what Brady did in NE.
RE: RE: RE: This what Gettleman should do:  
mort christenson : 2/11/2018 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13829271 mrvax said:
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More importantly, it's not legal anyway. Completely against NFL rules. Contract would never be approved.



It's kinda sorta what Brady did in NE.
It's nothing like Brady and NE.
RE: RE: RE: This what Gettleman should do:  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/11/2018 5:44 pm : link
In comment 13829271 mrvax said:
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More importantly, it's not legal anyway. Completely against NFL rules. Contract would never be approved.



It's kinda sorta what Brady did in NE.

Giving someone a storefront to run a side business is not at all comparable to using a coaching position to circumvent the salary cap.
My original post  
mrvax : 2/11/2018 5:49 pm : link
was just get a few laughs. MLB has had player-managers before. Makes me wonder if a NFL team might try this someday.
gfan52...  
Torrag : 2/11/2018 5:55 pm : link
...that's a very good option. Best I've seen suggested since Stefanski was debated. He did a real nice job developing both Stafford and Derek Carr. The Oakland offense had a lot of concepts that are compatible with Shurmur's approach and which they could combine to form a dangerous playbook. I'd sign for a Downing hire right now.
RE: Todd Downing former Oakland Raiders OC...  
pa_giant_fan : 2/11/2018 6:16 pm : link
In comment 13829265 GFAN52 said:
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is available.

+1
Brad Childress  
Reb8thVA : 2/11/2018 7:03 pm : link
And Marty Mohrinweig are available I think.
RE: Brad Childress  
jeff57 : 2/11/2018 7:08 pm : link
In comment 13829362 Reb8thVA said:
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And Marty Mohrinweig are available I think.


MM is the Ravens OC. Childress is supposedly retired.
How about an Xs and Os guy?  
St. Jimmy : 2/11/2018 7:22 pm : link

RE: gfan52...  
GFAN52 : 2/11/2018 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13829311 Torrag said:
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...that's a very good option. Best I've seen suggested since Stefanski was debated. He did a real nice job developing both Stafford and Derek Carr. The Oakland offense had a lot of concepts that are compatible with Shurmur's approach and which they could combine to form a dangerous playbook. I'd sign for a Downing hire right now.


You're correct on his QB development. The question is whether Shurmur is only looking for someone he knows or has worked with over the years.
RE: If as rumored it was Stefanski and Defilipo as Shurmur's top choices..  
TheMick7 : 2/11/2018 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13829241 Torrag said:
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...then a guy with a track record developing QB's is a trait he covets. A QB whisperer. Look to those types with Minny blocking us on Stefanski.


Tom Downing OC w/Raiders this year QB coach w/Raiders,Bills,Lions 37 years old
RE: How about an Xs and Os guy?  
Jay on the Island : 2/11/2018 7:33 pm : link
In comment 13829370 St. Jimmy said:
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Automatic ban!
Todd Downing duh  
TheMick7 : 2/11/2018 7:33 pm : link
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Mostly kidding...  
Dan in the Springs : 2/11/2018 7:40 pm : link
But it would be fun if they could get Peyton out here to work with his brother. What's he doing these days?
Pep Hamilton  
Mike in NY : 2/11/2018 7:41 pm : link
Was on same Indianapolis staff as our DL coach
RE: Todd Downing duh  
Rflairr : 2/11/2018 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13829385 TheMick7 said:
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The guy , Carr threw under the bus? Basically said he wasnít ready to be an OC?
Yeah because things went so badly for Carr on his watch...  
Torrag : 2/11/2018 8:06 pm : link
...something went bad this year in oakland and I have a sneaking suspicion the QB may have been part of the problem and not the solution. But he's still young and Gruden won't put up with any bullshit from his players. That's certain.
Maybe Shurmur screwed us by  
SHO'NUFF : 2/11/2018 11:40 pm : link
announcing he will call the plays...I think that decision would sway potential OCs the other way.
Mcadoo  
spike : 2/11/2018 11:54 pm : link
can be a pretty good OC

*ducks*
RE: Just following along  
NYDCBlue : 2/12/2018 12:05 pm : link
In comment 13829242 Defenderdawg said:
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Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton)
2/11/18, 12:53 PM
Would be an even bigger surprise now if Eagles let Duce Staley interview for Giants OC. Makes sense if he ends up OC in Philly with Mike Groh bumping up as QB coach

Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton)
2/11/18, 4:01 PM
Bevell was college teammate of Colts GM Chris Ballard, so ...

Reich didnít call plays in Philly so above adds up:

Zach Berman (@ZBerm)
2/11/18, 1:40 PM
Frank Reich didn't call plays for the Eagles, but he had a big role in Eagles offense. Helped create the offense with D. Pederson, spends an hour-plus the night before games going over the play sheet with Pederson. Good sounding board for Pederson.


LOL, this guy is being jumped to Head Coach and he has never even called a game? Interesting.
RE: RE: Just following along  
jeff57 : 2/12/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13829850 NYDCBlue said:
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Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton)
2/11/18, 12:53 PM
Would be an even bigger surprise now if Eagles let Duce Staley interview for Giants OC. Makes sense if he ends up OC in Philly with Mike Groh bumping up as QB coach

Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton)
2/11/18, 4:01 PM
Bevell was college teammate of Colts GM Chris Ballard, so ...

Reich didnít call plays in Philly so above adds up:

Zach Berman (@ZBerm)
2/11/18, 1:40 PM
Frank Reich didn't call plays for the Eagles, but he had a big role in Eagles offense. Helped create the offense with D. Pederson, spends an hour-plus the night before games going over the play sheet with Pederson. Good sounding board for Pederson.



LOL, this guy is being jumped to Head Coach and he has never even called a game? Interesting.


Didn't call it with the Eagles, but he was Chargers OC for two seasons.
RE: Maybe Shurmur screwed us by  
GFAN52 : 2/12/2018 12:10 pm : link
In comment 13829535 SHO'NUFF said:
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announcing he will call the plays...I think that decision would sway potential OCs the other way.


If it was clear that what's he wanted to do if he was selected head coach why should it matter. Would you rather he hire an OC who then learns later he's not going to call the plays and then you have a disgruntled staff member. How does that help?
RE: RE: Just following along  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/12/2018 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13829850 NYDCBlue said:
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Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton)
2/11/18, 12:53 PM
Would be an even bigger surprise now if Eagles let Duce Staley interview for Giants OC. Makes sense if he ends up OC in Philly with Mike Groh bumping up as QB coach

Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton)
2/11/18, 4:01 PM
Bevell was college teammate of Colts GM Chris Ballard, so ...

Reich didnít call plays in Philly so above adds up:

Zach Berman (@ZBerm)
2/11/18, 1:40 PM
Frank Reich didn't call plays for the Eagles, but he had a big role in Eagles offense. Helped create the offense with D. Pederson, spends an hour-plus the night before games going over the play sheet with Pederson. Good sounding board for Pederson.



LOL, this guy is being jumped to Head Coach and he has never even called a game? Interesting.

Just so we can all play along, it was bad when McAdoo called plays as a HC, but calling plays should be a prerequisite to becoming a HC. It's especially important that a coordinator develop a skill that most fans hope he will never use as a head coach. Did I get that right?
RE: This what Gettleman should do:  
MotownGIANTS : 2/12/2018 3:25 pm : link
In comment 13829252 mrvax said:
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Take Eli Manning upstairs. Tell Eli they are cutting his 2018 pay down by $3M. Hire Eli as a QB/OC. Pay him $4M for OC.

Goodell would shit himself.


I wonder if that is actually possible for an active player to be a coordinator ... if so that would be brilliant. Just have to wait until the owners meeting has taken place so no one can vote it down.
RE: RE: This what Gettleman should do:  
GFAN52 : 2/12/2018 4:50 pm : link
In comment 13830137 MotownGIANTS said:
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In comment 13829252 mrvax said:


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Take Eli Manning upstairs. Tell Eli they are cutting his 2018 pay down by $3M. Hire Eli as a QB/OC. Pay him $4M for OC.

Goodell would shit himself.



I wonder if that is actually possible for an active player to be a coordinator ... if so that would be brilliant. Just have to wait until the owners meeting has taken place so no one can vote it down.


Don't want Eli as an OC.
Dan Campbell  
Big_Pete : 2/12/2018 6:38 pm : link
How about New Orleans TE/ Assistant HC Dan Campbell as an option for OC?

He reportedly interviewed for the Vikings OC role. With Shurmur calling the plays, this could be a good situation for Campbell.
RE: Several good coaches out there  
Big_Pete : 2/12/2018 6:52 pm : link
In comment 13829263 Rflairr said:
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Chudzinski, Goodwin, Dorsey, etc....


Chudzinski and Goodwin are both good OC options imho.

Chudzinski is a nice option, however, would be ironic considering he replaced Shurmer as Cleveland HC. Chudzinksi left the Panthers just before Gettleman's arrival, but Gettleman will have the contacts in place to know exactly what he would bring to the table.

Harold Goodwin is intriguing. Like Bettcher, Arians brought him with him from the Colts. Arizona did have Tom Moore as Assistant HC/ Offense, so I am not sure how the offensive roles were split up between Arians, Moore and Goodwin.

I see Dorsey more of a QB coach though.
RE: RE: Maybe Shurmur screwed us by  
SHO'NUFF : 2/12/2018 7:16 pm : link
In comment 13829858 GFAN52 said:
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announcing he will call the plays...I think that decision would sway potential OCs the other way.



If it was clear that what's he wanted to do if he was selected head coach why should it matter. Would you rather he hire an OC who then learns later he's not going to call the plays and then you have a disgruntled staff member. How does that help?


I think Shurmur should just stick to head coaching.
RE: RE: RE: Maybe Shurmur screwed us by  
GFAN52 : 2/12/2018 7:25 pm : link
In comment 13830389 SHO'NUFF said:
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In comment 13829858 GFAN52 said:


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In comment 13829535 SHO'NUFF said:


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announcing he will call the plays...I think that decision would sway potential OCs the other way.



If it was clear that what's he wanted to do if he was selected head coach why should it matter. Would you rather he hire an OC who then learns later he's not going to call the plays and then you have a disgruntled staff member. How does that help?



I think Shurmur should just stick to head coaching.


I don't disagree with that, but it may be like his time in Cleveland where he does the play calling the first year, then turns the play calling over to an OC in the second year. Point is, the situation here with the Giants wasn't a good fit for someone like DeFilippo, but that doesn't mean they won't bring in a good OC even with limited play calling responsibilities.
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