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CMicks3110 : 2/10/2018 9:47 pm
So what is your thoughts on him as a prospect?
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I think heís Troy Aikman 2.0  
The_Boss : 2/11/2018 9:11 am : link
With regards to mechanics, arm strength, and pinpoint accuracy. Heís my guy.
RE: I think heís Troy Aikman 2.0  
Bill L : 2/11/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 13828981 The_Boss said:
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With regards to mechanics, arm strength, and pinpoint accuracy. Heís my guy.
ithink heís more Chris Borland 2.0. But maybe heís more John Urschel.
RE: RE: I think heís Troy Aikman 2.0  
Milton : 2/11/2018 9:35 am : link
In comment 13828988 Bill L said:
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With regards to mechanics, arm strength, and pinpoint accuracy. Heís my guy.

ithink heís more Chris Borland 2.0. But maybe heís more John Urschel.
I'll bet you Rosen's career lasts longer than Barkley's.
RE: Tim Couch  
Mike in NY : 2/11/2018 9:49 am : link
In comment 13828963 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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played in a Fun-N-Gun Hal Mumme offense. He had below average arm talent and did not have to read defenses. Rosen plays in a pro-style offense, has excellent arm talent and accuracy, and has to read the entire field. No comparison.

Ryan Leaf ? Come on...


Iíd be happy to eat crow if the Giants draft Rosen, but what I have watched of him I just do not see the next Eli Manning. Maybe I am going more negative than I should, but would you spend a 2nd Overall pick on Kerry Collins? Me personally I would rather trade down from #2 and fix other areas then use our 2nd Round pick on Mason Rudolph (I think once the top 3 or 4 rated QBís go off the board you will see the rest drop because teams wonít have as much of a spread in the next tier, but there are some in that group that intrigue me if not forced to play right away).
RE: RE: Tim Couch  
Milton : 2/11/2018 10:21 am : link
In comment 13828994 Mike in NY said:
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played in a Fun-N-Gun Hal Mumme offense. He had below average arm talent and did not have to read defenses. Rosen plays in a pro-style offense, has excellent arm talent and accuracy, and has to read the entire field. No comparison.

Ryan Leaf ? Come on...



Iíd be happy to eat crow if the Giants draft Rosen, but what I have watched of him I just do not see the next Eli Manning. Maybe I am going more negative than I should, but would you spend a 2nd Overall pick on Kerry Collins?
Kerry Collins is a new one.

Would you spend a 2nd overall pick on Tom Brady? Would you spend a second overall pick on Ryan Leaf? Would you spend a second overall pick on Troy Aikman? Would you spend a second overall pick on Jay Cutler? Would you spend a second overall pick on Trent Green? Would you spend a second overall pick on Matt Ryan? Would you spend a second overall pick on Jeff George? Would you spend a second overall pick on the next Joe Namath, the next Jim Plunkett, the next Clark Kent, the next Gal Gadot, the next David Bowie???

"I hear everybody that you know is more relevant than everybody that I know" - ( New Window )
He reminds me of Eli  
jeff57 : 2/11/2018 10:38 am : link
When he came out.
RE: He reminds me of Eli  
Milton : 2/11/2018 10:55 am : link
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When he came out.
It was just a commercial for crying out loud!
He will be the pick  
averagejoe : 2/11/2018 11:05 am : link
I think he is the best QB in draft. Pro ready. Browns gamble on Allen with first pick and Giants select Rosen. Hate it that Eli will still be here playing, Instant QB controversy every week. Unavoidable.
He doesn't have the arm strength/talent  
allstarjim : 2/11/2018 11:06 am : link
of Manning and is just as mobile.

Mental acuity is very good. Footwork, throwing motion, he's good. Throws a nice ball.

Where I struggle with him is when he needs to let it rip and unleash the fastball or power one deep and to the sideline, or see that out route from the far hash, I just don't see the power in his arm.

You can do worse than Rosen. But I still think he's not going to be a guy that can win an MVP and carry a team to the Super Bowl. If you're looking for that guy, and you should be when drafting this high, you'd be better off drafting Barkley.

I think a little less mobile Matt Ryan is his ceiling. Yes, I realize Matt Ryan won an MVP and carried a team to the Super Bowl once...and should have won it. But I think he's more of a little less mobile Ryan Tannehill.
I think Rosen has what Brady and Rodgers have  
Peppers : 2/11/2018 11:10 am : link
There's a sort of brash moxie those two have on the field. Rosen has it.

But of all the the things I like about Rosen (accuracy, release, footwork, intelligence) what I like most about him is how he is under pressure. The way he stands in the pocket against a blitz and delivers an accurate pass. That's what sets him apart from these other prospects, at least in my eyes.

He hasn't been good at winning football games  
AdamBrag : 2/11/2018 11:37 am : link
He has a very mediocre 17-13 record in college and UCLA had a bunch of NFL draft picks on those teams. This was something Bill Parcells cared a lot about.
RE: He hasn't been good at winning football games  
Milton : 2/11/2018 11:49 am : link
In comment 13829044 AdamBrag said:
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He has a very mediocre 17-13 record in college and UCLA had a bunch of NFL draft picks on those teams. This was something Bill Parcells cared a lot about.
Evaluating college prospects was never a strength of Parcells. He preferred Cedric Jones to Terry Glenn, Darion Conner to Rodney Hampton, and wanted nothing to do with Dave Meggett coming out of Towson University. But give him credit, he didn't hold it agains them once he had them under his roof.
Darnold or bust  
McNally's_Nuts : 2/11/2018 12:00 pm : link
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RE: He hasn't been good at winning football games  
Peppers : 2/11/2018 12:05 pm : link
In comment 13829044 AdamBrag said:
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He has a very mediocre 17-13 record in college and UCLA had a bunch of NFL draft picks on those teams. This was something Bill Parcells cared a lot about.


Kellen Moore has the most wins in CFB history. Then there's Colt McCoy.. I believe he's still 2nd in wins.

I think it's important to evaluate the player not the team. You have to be careful when judging a QB by wins and losses.
RE: RE: He hasn't been good at winning football games  
Mike in NY : 2/11/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13829072 Peppers said:
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He has a very mediocre 17-13 record in college and UCLA had a bunch of NFL draft picks on those teams. This was something Bill Parcells cared a lot about.



Kellen Moore has the most wins in CFB history. Then there's Colt McCoy.. I believe he's still 2nd in wins.

I think it's important to evaluate the player not the team. You have to be careful when judging a QB by wins and losses.


Kellen Moore was QB on a team head and shoulders above everyone else in his conference. McCoy had tremendous talent around him. The question for me is does the QB make the players around him better? When I watch Rosen, I do not see that like I did Eli Manning at Ole Miss.
RE: RE: He reminds me of Eli  
jeff57 : 2/11/2018 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13829023 Milton said:
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When he came out.

It was just a commercial for crying out loud!


Good one.
RE: RE: He hasn't been good at winning football games  
AdamBrag : 2/11/2018 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13829072 Peppers said:
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He has a very mediocre 17-13 record in college and UCLA had a bunch of NFL draft picks on those teams. This was something Bill Parcells cared a lot about.



Kellen Moore has the most wins in CFB history. Then there's Colt McCoy.. I believe he's still 2nd in wins.

I think it's important to evaluate the player not the team. You have to be careful when judging a QB by wins and losses.


Here's being very thorough. A list of all 1st round QBs selected with winning percentages lower then 60% since 2000.

Pat Mahomes
Ryan Tannehill
Jake Locker
Josh Freeman
Jay Cutler
JP Losman
Kyle Boller
Patrick Ramsey

When the only QB you can point to on this list isn't proven in the NFL and reports were his character is off the charts, it's not a pretty picture.
If Rosen is the pick  
mrvax : 2/11/2018 12:40 pm : link
I hope the Giants put him in the gym for a year, get him a good trainer and load him up with steroids and Hgh.
RE: FWIW, and itís not much except for grins  
djm : 2/11/2018 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13828896 Bill L said:
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But since people are putting up comps, itís worth noting that in the nfl.com draft analysis that lists pros and cons, they say that his best comp is Trent Green.


That's a load of crap.
RE: Ironically, the have Darnoldís comp  
djm : 2/11/2018 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13828897 Bill L said:
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As Andrew Luck


More crap.
Think he is accurate and smart but possibly a gamble  
TMS : 2/11/2018 1:24 pm : link
because of injury concerns. Do not see him staying in the NFL for very long if he is banged up again. He will make his connections in NYC and move on very quickly. ELI toughness and reliability he is not. We will be looking for another QB again if that happens.
'So what is your thoughts on him as a prospect?'...  
Torrag : 2/11/2018 1:47 pm : link
With Rosen it's not about 'the football'. It's about the 'other stuff'. His romance with social media and addressing topics that have nothing to do with the game. Playing QB for the NY Giants is a full time job and doesn't include being a SJW. His injury history including concussion, shoulder and knee which resulted in missing 8 of a possible 38 starts(21%) is troubling as it pertains to his durability and gameday availability and that occurred being hit by college not NFL level explosive defenders.

Those are the concerns with Rosen. And they are real. Anyone that simply dismisses them as non-issues when assigning an overall draft grade to the young man has their head in the sand.

A team with a conservative draft philosophy as pertaining to risk with their 1st Round picks, as the Giants track record clearly proves they are, epecially one as valuable to the franchise as the #2 overall pick, will certainly take pause to consider everything before reaching a decision.
I love the people  
jtgiants : 2/11/2018 2:13 pm : link
On the thread downplaying his injury history. You can't. To me, he's not even a thought at #2.
Love his romance  
XBRONX : 2/11/2018 2:18 pm : link
with social media.
RE: RE: RE: He hasn't been good at winning football games  
Peppers : 2/11/2018 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13829081 Mike in NY said:
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He has a very mediocre 17-13 record in college and UCLA had a bunch of NFL draft picks on those teams. This was something Bill Parcells cared a lot about.



Kellen Moore has the most wins in CFB history. Then there's Colt McCoy.. I believe he's still 2nd in wins.

I think it's important to evaluate the player not the team. You have to be careful when judging a QB by wins and losses.



Kellen Moore was QB on a team head and shoulders above everyone else in his conference. McCoy had tremendous talent around him. The question for me is does the QB make the players around him better? When I watch Rosen, I do not see that like I did Eli Manning at Ole Miss.


Thats not true. TCU was apart of the WAC at the time and they were a top 5 team when Moore/Boise st beat them. Nevada was ranked in the top 15 at one point. They also beat Oregon, VTech and Georgia in season openers while he was there.

RE: RE: RE: He hasn't been good at winning football games  
Peppers : 2/11/2018 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13829091 AdamBrag said:
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He has a very mediocre 17-13 record in college and UCLA had a bunch of NFL draft picks on those teams. This was something Bill Parcells cared a lot about.



Kellen Moore has the most wins in CFB history. Then there's Colt McCoy.. I believe he's still 2nd in wins.

I think it's important to evaluate the player not the team. You have to be careful when judging a QB by wins and losses.



Here's being very thorough. A list of all 1st round QBs selected with winning percentages lower then 60% since 2000.

Pat Mahomes
Ryan Tannehill
Jake Locker
Josh Freeman
Jay Cutler
JP Losman
Kyle Boller
Patrick Ramsey

When the only QB you can point to on this list isn't proven in the NFL and reports were his character is off the charts, it's not a pretty picture.


And Vince Young, Matt Linehart, Tim Tebow? Kellen Moore, Colt McCoy, David Green..

You can make that case either way which leads me to my point, evaluate the player not the team.
I also read that he is an extremely well-like teammate  
SomeFan : 2/11/2018 2:32 pm : link
so his attitude is not a concern to me.
College Wins/Losses  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 2/11/2018 2:32 pm : link
Phil Simms was 1-10 his senior year, IIRC. He did okay in the NFL.
How many games did he win?  
est1986 : 2/11/2018 2:33 pm : link
That + Injury history concerns me. But other than that, he looks like a hell of a passer. Good release and accurate. Any QB will be served justice if they sat behind Eli one year or more before starting, but especially Rosen IMO. I prefer Darnold but would not be mad if the Giants went with Rosen (or Mayfield for the record).
RE: 'So what is your thoughts on him as a prospect?'...  
Peppers : 2/11/2018 2:43 pm : link
In comment 13829140 Torrag said:
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With Rosen it's not about 'the football'. It's about the 'other stuff'. His romance with social media and addressing topics that have nothing to do with the game. Playing QB for the NY Giants is a full time job and doesn't include being a SJW. His injury history including concussion, shoulder and knee which resulted in missing 8 of a possible 38 starts(21%) is troubling as it pertains to his durability and gameday availability and that occurred being hit by college not NFL level explosive defenders.

Those are the concerns with Rosen. And they are real. Anyone that simply dismisses them as non-issues when assigning an overall draft grade to the young man has their head in the sand.

A team with a conservative draft philosophy as pertaining to risk with their 1st Round picks, as the Giants track record clearly proves they are, epecially one as valuable to the franchise as the #2 overall pick, will certainly take pause to consider everything before reaching a decision.


This is a good post. Well said.

I'm a little worried he's too opinionated for the position and for the NY media market. The injuries are cause of concern. . But he will mature and there is no clean prospect so keeping that within perspective I think he's worth the risk especially when you consider the possible ROI.
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Milton : 2/11/2018 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13829181 Peppers said:
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I'm a little worried he's too opinionated for the position and for the NY media market.
His opinions are well thought out and consistent with the NYC market. The QBs are worry about when it comes to NYC and its media are Mayfield and Allen, not Rosen and Darnold.
I've said  
Giantfootball025 : 2/11/2018 2:57 pm : link
Rosen is the best QB in this class. I don't think it's very close with Darnold in terms of mechanics. Darnold might have more upside, but that's a big gamble when taking a franchise QB. If Rosen had no injury history or off field concerns (which I don't agree there are any) he'd be clear cut #1. With that said he does have a serious injury history and that scares the hell out of me. I want Barkley or a trade back for Nelson. But, the closer we come to draft day the more I think Rosen is going to be the pick. He fits the mold of what the Shurmer and the Giants Organization would look for in a QB. And we may not ever get the opportunity to take a franchise QB after this year for a long time.
Something to consider while looking at his record  
Peppers : 2/11/2018 3:01 pm : link
I haven't seen it mentioned yet but UCLAs defense gave up 37 points per game (ranked 116) and 484 yards per game (ranked 122) in 2017.

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Peppers : 2/11/2018 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13829188 Milton said:
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I'm a little worried he's too opinionated for the position and for the NY media market.

His opinions are well thought out and consistent with the NYC market. The QBs are worry about when it comes to NYC and its media are Mayfield and Allen, not Rosen and Darnold.


Consistent with the market? I'm not understanding that..

He's a little too opinionated. Rosen has already attracted national media attention with his opinion a few times. We would want him to attract it with his play, not his words or his hats.
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Milton : 2/11/2018 3:36 pm : link
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I'm a little worried he's too opinionated for the position and for the NY media market.

His opinions are well thought out and consistent with the NYC market. The QBs are worry about when it comes to NYC and its media are Mayfield and Allen, not Rosen and Darnold.



Consistent with the market? I'm not understanding that..
His opinions may not go over as well in Ohio as they do in NYC. That being said, he's a smart guy who is as coachable off the field as he is on the field, and I'm confident he would avoid posting/saying anything that would reflect poorly on the Giants organization or alienate their fanbase.
RE: He ainít Brady or Manning  
Section331 : 2/11/2018 3:48 pm : link
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That is a silly statement, as no one would have predicted that Brady or Manning would be among the greatest QBís ever when they were coming out.

Heís the best passer in the draft, and easily the most pro-ready QB. I agree with Rick for the most part, as I think many underrate his athleticism, but the concussions do concern me a bit.
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Bill L : 2/11/2018 4:05 pm : link
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That is a silly statement, as no one would have predicted that Brady or Manning would be among the greatest QBís ever when they were coming out.

Heís the best passer in the draft, and easily the most pro-ready QB. I agree with Rick for the most part, as I think many underrate his athleticism, but the concussions do concern me a bit.
if you would have put the quote in context, it would have shown that I was responding to Miltonís contentin that he *was* Brady or Peyton.
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Milton : 2/11/2018 4:18 pm : link
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That is a silly statement, as no one would have predicted that Brady or Manning would be among the greatest QBís ever when they were coming out.

if you would have put the quote in context, it would have shown that I was responding to Miltonís contentin that he *was* Brady or Peyton.
If you would have quoted me instead of misrepresenting me, it would have been clear that you were responding to my contention that Brady and Manning were Rosen's upside.
RE: Think he is accurate and smart but possibly a gamble  
GoDeep13 : 2/11/2018 5:25 pm : link
In comment 13829130 TMS said:
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because of injury concerns. Do not see him staying in the NFL for very long if he is banged up again. He will make his connections in NYC and move on very quickly. ELI toughness and reliability he is not. We will be looking for another QB again if that happens.


My feelings as well. Too risky at #2. He comes off as a Me over Team guy and his injuries scare me off. Especially with his dad being a neurosurgeon and him having had multiple concussions. I could see him easily walking away from the game within 5 seasons for health concerns.



RE: RE: Think he is accurate and smart but possibly a gamble  
TMS : 2/11/2018 5:36 pm : link
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because of injury concerns. Do not see him staying in the NFL for very long if he is banged up again. He will make his connections in NYC and move on very quickly. ELI toughness and reliability he is not. We will be looking for another QB again if that happens.



My feelings as well. Too risky at #2. He comes off as a Me over Team guy and his injuries scare me off. Especially with his dad being a neurosurgeon and him having had multiple concussions. I could see him easily walking away from the game within 5 seasons for health concerns.
As an aside Shurmur said he wants players that want to be football players more than anything else. You think that is Rosen ?

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GoDeep13 : 2/11/2018 7:13 pm : link
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because of injury concerns. Do not see him staying in the NFL for very long if he is banged up again. He will make his connections in NYC and move on very quickly. ELI toughness and reliability he is not. We will be looking for another QB again if that happens.



My feelings as well. Too risky at #2. He comes off as a Me over Team guy and his injuries scare me off. Especially with his dad being a neurosurgeon and him having had multiple concussions. I could see him easily walking away from the game within 5 seasons for health concerns.
As an aside Shurmur said he wants players that want to be football players more than anything else. You think that is Rosen ?





No. I think he thinks itíd be a cool job and that heíd make a lot of money. I donít see him being a guy that eats, sleeps, and breathes football. I can see him as the guy that takes his offseason to do his own thing. While many might want to state that there isnít anything wrong with that, Iíd disagree. Yes players are allowed their free time, however, great players in this league are preparing for the NFL season year round. At most they may have close to a month of no football. Other than that they are constantly in and out of the gym and/or private workouts with trainers. I donít see Rosen being that guy. Eli is that guy. Webb is that guy. Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rivers, other top QBs in this league are those guys. I think Darnold, Allen, Jackson, Rudolph, are those guys. I have my reservations on Mayfield as he comes off a bit frat boyish but I think it could go either way with him. As Iíve looked at the top QBs in this draft this is what Iíve come away with.

Josh Rosen - Great poise and technique for the position. Nice snap release with good rotation and placement. No real concerns when it comes to his play style. However he has racked up a number of injuries in a short amount of time and would enter into the league one of the least athletic QBs playing the position (so not only does he get banged up he canít do much to avoid pressure. So heís often a sitting duck.

Sam Darnold - is mostly riding on ďit factorĒ. Heís pretty accurate with a good arm and mobility but he also has the most turnovers of the top QBs as he doesnít do a great job reading coverages. He will also need to work on his release and footwork. He has the biggest bust potential of all the QBs in this draft to me. Being a QB USC doesnít help his case.

Josh Allen - My preferred choice. Perfect QB build. Strongest arm Iíve seen in a long time. Excellent character (could have left Wyoming last year and been a top 10 pick but decided to go back as a thank you to his coaching staff). Lead the first back to back winning seasons for Wyoming in the MWC. His biggest knocks are strength of schedule and accuracy. Wyoming might be the worst recruiting school in the MWC meaning even in an undertalented Conference heís still generally undermanned when it comes to offensive weapons. As for accuracy his biggest thing is taming that big arm of his, which he has been working on and it has been showing.

Mason Rudolph -This Guy should be getting talked about a lot more as a 1st round QB than he is. Heís my 2nd favorite QB in this draft. Great size. Excellent deep ball touch. Very good placement. And despite his size heís nimble enough to avoid tacklers. His biggest problem is his system and the fact that his arm isnít as strong as youíd think it should be with him at his size. That being said Iíd happily take him in the 2nd over all the other QBs in the 1st.

Lamar Jackson - could be the best player in this draft if he ends up in the right situation. He is in a whole other stratosphere as an athlete and has shown continued development and improvement year after year as a QB. He can be an entire offense on his own similar to Cam or Mariota. I donít see the Giants drafting him but he isnít another guy Iíd happily take in the 2nd and develop for a year or two.

In my mental mock, Iím taking Barkley in the first  
Bill L : 2/11/2018 7:19 pm : link
And Jackson in the second. It gives us a fantastic team to win now and I believe that we will, and the QB everyone insists we need from this draft to plan for the future. Win/Win (win)
It's not just Rosen's  
mrvax : 2/11/2018 7:26 pm : link
injury history, he's physically not a NFL player. Sy'56 posted last week that "Rosen has the body of a high school sophomore."

Add the 2 together makes him a huge risk at #2 for me.


Isn't Rosen something like  
Jimmy Googs : 2/11/2018 7:32 pm : link
6'4 and 215+ lbs?

Some time in the gym and few snickers and he'll be the same as Eli, sans the interceptions...
anyone who says  
McNally's_Nuts : 2/11/2018 7:35 pm : link
Darnold has a bigger bust potential than Josh Allen is on bath salts.

Allen has terrible accuracy, looks like Tarzan...plays like Jane. Normally your accuracy doesnít get better at the next level.
RE: anyone who says  
GoDeep13 : 2/11/2018 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13829386 McNally's_Nuts said:
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Darnold has a bigger bust potential than Josh Allen is on bath salts.

Allen has terrible accuracy, looks like Tarzan...plays like Jane. Normally your accuracy doesnít get better at the next level.


Think how you want. I believe Allen is gonna be a fine QB in the NFL. I see him as a Matthew Stafford type. And Stafford only completed ovr 60% of his passes was his last year where he completed 61% His previous two were 52% and 55% leaving his college percent a 57%.

Staffordís Last 3 seasons have all been over 65%.

Darnold makes too many bad reads and is too careless with the ball for me. I just donít see him being successful.
no thank you  
xtian : 2/12/2018 5:48 pm : link
injury history, questionable frame--too slight, and not a good leader.

pick either allen or darold
Eli Manning was drafted at 220 lbs.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/12/2018 6:07 pm : link
Rosen is 218.

Let's quit that narrative.
No Allen  
Thegratefulhead : 2/12/2018 6:20 pm : link
Josh Allen is Paxton Lynch.
RE: Eli Manning was drafted at 220 lbs.  
TMS : 2/14/2018 10:21 pm : link
In comment 13830309 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Rosen is 218.

Let's quit that narrative.
Highly doubt that Rosen resembles ELI in skill set or desire to play football, Looking for a pay check and will be hurt immediately then milk to a bigger future. Thats why he and his folowers are so wildly loved.
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