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GMAN4LIFE : 2/9/2018 9:47 am
While Rocky 4 was the universal favorite, more people say 3 was better in terms of opponent. I dont see it but curious your feelings.


Rocky 3- Rocky vs Mr T(Clobber lang)... beaten, Mickey dies and has to relearn by becoming a different fighter. Clobber lang with monster punches that even the viewer can feel.

Rocky 4- USA vs USSR... big time politics playing on the screen but with boxing. Best friend dies, training in the snow, and brain/ CTE inducing fight to the finish.


which one is your favorite and why
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Love 3  
BIG FRED 1973 : 2/9/2018 10:51 am : link
Its also the movie that made the Hulkster
RE: 4 is a classic  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/9/2018 10:52 am : link
In comment 13827492 Ron from Ninerland said:
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1. Great soundtrack. I doubt that I'm the only one who thinks of James Brown's "Living in America" every time they fly into Vegas. The Training montage was great. The fight music itself gave me goosebumps. BTW, 3 didn't even have its own fight theme. They just reused the one from 2.

2. Great opponent. Ivan Drago, to this day is the ultimate sports villain. "If he dies he dies". He only had a few lines but they're all memorable. The only thing I remember about Clubber Lang is that he called Apollo Creed "boy".

3. Shocking unpredictable moment. You didn't expect Apollo Creed to get killed in the ring did you ? I didn't see that coming.

Interesting tidbit: One of the teasers for 4 was a monologue from Ivan Drago. He probably had three times as many lines in the teaser than he did in the actual movie


You don't remember Lang's classic response to the 'What's your prediction for the fight?'

'PREDICTION? PAIN.'
YOU SEE, HE'S NOT A MACHINE!!!  
bceagle05 : 2/9/2018 10:52 am : link
HE'S A MAN!!!!!
RE: 4 is a classic  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/9/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 13827492 Ron from Ninerland said:
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1. Great soundtrack. I doubt that I'm the only one who thinks of James Brown's "Living in America" every time they fly into Vegas. The Training montage was great. The fight music itself gave me goosebumps. BTW, 3 didn't even have its own fight theme. They just reused the one from 2.

2. Great opponent. Ivan Drago, to this day is the ultimate sports villain. "If he dies he dies". He only had a few lines but they're all memorable. The only thing I remember about Clubber Lang is that he called Apollo Creed "boy".

3. Shocking unpredictable moment. You didn't expect Apollo Creed to get killed in the ring did you ? I didn't see that coming.

Interesting tidbit: One of the teasers for 4 was a monologue from Ivan Drago. He probably had three times as many lines in the teaser than he did in the actual movie


Rocky 3 is one of the most quotable movies of all time:



My Prediction?


Also launched Hulk Hogans career into another stratosphere.
Rocky 3 was WAAAAAAAAAAAY better than Rocky 4  
Victor in CT : 2/9/2018 10:57 am : link
not even close
This one is a classic...  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/9/2018 11:03 am : link
"Hey woman? You ever been with a real man?"

Zepp with the win  
SLIM_ : 2/9/2018 11:06 am : link
That doesn't mean that I can't love the Rocky franchise. Great fun. Underdog story. Good characters. Workout montages. Good fun.
You can also say that without Rocky 3  
BIG FRED 1973 : 2/9/2018 11:11 am : link
There may not have been Wrestlemania .Mr .T was a huge part of that first mania ..
RE: You can also say that without Rocky 3  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/9/2018 11:14 am : link
In comment 13827536 BIG FRED 1973 said:
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There may not have been Wrestlemania .Mr .T was a huge part of that first mania ..


He was a huge part of Wrestlemania because of the movie. If Hulk doesn't do the movie and Mr. T doesn't do Wrestlemania, both probably don't exist.
3 was way better than 4  
Banks : 2/9/2018 11:17 am : link
But 3 introduced the Rocky statue so fuck that movie
Exactly  
BIG FRED 1973 : 2/9/2018 11:20 am : link
Crazy to think that without Rocky 3 having MR T and Hogan in it and without Cyndi Lauper having Capt Lou in her Girls just want to have fun video there would be no wrestlemania ,Thatís why I donít understand why Cyndi Lauper is not in the WWE hall of fame
RE: Exactly  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/9/2018 11:25 am : link
In comment 13827545 BIG FRED 1973 said:
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Crazy to think that without Rocky 3 having MR T and Hogan in it and without Cyndi Lauper having Capt Lou in her Girls just want to have fun video there would be no wrestlemania ,Thatís why I donít understand why Cyndi Lauper is not in the WWE hall of fame


Though Starcade had been around, so I am sure WWE would have figured something out to compete, but the spectacle that was the original Wrestlemania sure wouldn't have been there.
My kids hockey team  
pjcas18 : 2/9/2018 11:27 am : link
plays eye of the tiger every time they go on the ice for warm ups at home games.

think about that 10 year old kids, Eye of the Tiger. That song has to be 35 years old or close to it. It's that and Shipping up to Boston, which I hate.

they wouldn't dare play Living in America or Hearts on Fire or even the corny No Easy Way out or the silly training montage people on here seem to love.

Eye of the Tiger is an institution, handing this victory, despite all other arguments for or against, to Rocky III

And it doesn't even matter that Eye of the Tiger is also on the Rocky IV soundtrack.
RE: RE: Exactly  
BIG FRED 1973 : 2/9/2018 11:37 am : link
In comment 13827550 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 13827545 BIG FRED 1973 said:


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Crazy to think that without Rocky 3 having MR T and Hogan in it and without Cyndi Lauper having Capt Lou in her Girls just want to have fun video there would be no wrestlemania ,Thatís why I donít understand why Cyndi Lauper is not in the WWE hall of fame



Though Starcade had been around, so I am sure WWE would have figured something out to compete, but the spectacle that was the original Wrestlemania sure wouldn't have been there.
I still get chills watching that Hogan match vs sheik where he won the belt We didnít have cable in my area in 1984 so we didnít get MSG but I remember my dad getting the VHS tape a day or two after it happened and watching it ,they showed the match on both channel 9 shows that next Saturday but I remember being so happy Hogan won and beat the Iron Sheik

as a kid I loved Rocky IV  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/9/2018 11:46 am : link
But it's really nothing more than a bunch of montages put together with a fantastic soundtrack. It's the most preposterous of all the movies.

HBO or Showtime have been playing the entire collection non-stop over the last month. The most interesting thing about watching Rocky V these days is seeing how much CTE he has and how much they show him dealing with it.

As much as "Eye of the Tiger" is the obvious choice for best pump-up / fight song in perhaps movie history, "No Easy Way Out" is still my favorite to listen to when I work out.

And speaking of "Eye of the Tiger," this is a fascinating background of the use of the song in the movie, per Wikipedia

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Eye of the Tiger" ... was also the theme song for the film Rocky III, which was released a day before the single. The song was written... at the request of Rocky III star, writer, and director Sylvester Stallone, after Queen denied him permission to use "Another One Bites the Dust", the song Stallone intended as the Rocky III theme.Originally, the song was made for the movie "The Karate Kid" (1984). The director of both Rocky (1976) and "The Karate Kid" planned to use the song for a fighting montage towards the end of the feature. John G. Avildsen opted to using "You're the Best" by Joe Esposito.
Put me down for Rocky 3  
Maximus, Esq. : 2/9/2018 11:47 am : link
While I think 3 is the better movie - I will admit that 3 isn't as good as I remembered it; and 4 isn't as bad as I remembered it.

All in all, I don't like what happened to the Rocky character after Rocky II. Totally different character.

As a side note - rumor has it they were going to bring Clubber Lang back for Rocky 6 (aka Rocky Balboa) for a cameo during the final fight he has against Mason "the Line" Dixon. That would have been kind of cool for continuity purposes.

As far as Rocky V goes - that was pure shit. Should have never made that movie.
I met Mr. T. in Wally's Wine Shop  
Stan in LA : 2/9/2018 11:53 am : link
In Westwood many years ago. He was the nicest guy you could imagine, BUT he was wearing more gold chains than fish in the ocean! Ouch!
Rocky IV  
ThatLimerickGuy : 2/9/2018 11:57 am : link
is my vote.

I'm too young for this but I can imagine the silence in that theater when Apollo died in the beginning. Must have been nuts.

Universal favorite???  
GiantNatty : 2/9/2018 11:58 am : link
No way, 3 was much better. I thought Clubber Lang was one of the best villains I had seen in any film to that point (and I still think he was a great villain to this day). Rocky 3 is a fun, non-stop, sit-and-watch film.

4 has some good music and training scenes, but the ending is ridiculously cheesey and dumb.

3 by a wide margin.
RE: Put me down for Rocky 3  
Rocky369 : 2/9/2018 11:59 am : link
In comment 13827578 Maximus, Esq. said:
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As a side note - rumor has it they were going to bring Clubber Lang back for Rocky 6 (aka Rocky Balboa) for a cameo during the final fight he has against Mason "the Line" Dixon. That would have been kind of cool for continuity purposes.
Not needed. They had Spider Rico. Can't get any better than that.
Rocky IV is such a great movie  
Bramton1 : 2/9/2018 12:20 pm : link
First of all, one of the greatest 80s movie soundtracks out there. There's the Cold War backdrop. The Russia scenes are basically one big training montage, but I love it.

And some great lines. It's funny. For whatever reason, I posted on Facebook eight years ago today (Facebook reminded me) Rocky's post-fight speech. Duke's speech to Rocky was great as well. Drago didn't say much, but what little he said was just perfect.

Sure, there was the awkward robot, which got even more awkward once they changed the voice.

"During this fight, I've seen a lot of changing, in the way you feel about me, and in the way I feel about you. In here, there were two guys killing each other, but I guess that's better than twenty million. I guess what I'm trying to say, is that if I can change, and you can change, everybody can change!"

"Apollo was like my son. I raised him. And when he died a part of me died. But now you're the one. You're the one that's gonna keep his spirit alive. You're the one that's gonna make sure that he didn't die for nothing. Now you're gonna have to go through hell. Worse than any nightmare you ever dreamed. But in the end, I know you'll be the one standing. You know what you have to do. Do it. Do it."

"If he dies, he dies."
RE: RE: Put me down for Rocky 3  
Maximus, Esq. : 2/9/2018 12:23 pm : link
In comment 13827595 Rocky369 said:
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In comment 13827578 Maximus, Esq. said:


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As a side note - rumor has it they were going to bring Clubber Lang back for Rocky 6 (aka Rocky Balboa) for a cameo during the final fight he has against Mason "the Line" Dixon. That would have been kind of cool for continuity purposes.

Not needed. They had Spider Rico. Can't get any better than that.


True. I believe Lang was going to be a color commentator for the final fight.
RE: RE: RE: Put me down for Rocky 3  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/9/2018 12:29 pm : link
In comment 13827609 Maximus, Esq. said:
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In comment 13827595 Rocky369 said:


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In comment 13827578 Maximus, Esq. said:


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As a side note - rumor has it they were going to bring Clubber Lang back for Rocky 6 (aka Rocky Balboa) for a cameo during the final fight he has against Mason "the Line" Dixon. That would have been kind of cool for continuity purposes.

Not needed. They had Spider Rico. Can't get any better than that.



True. I believe Lang was going to be a color commentator for the final fight.


That would have been amazing. Such a shame. Maybe they do it in the new Creed movie?
Rocky IV was a universal favorite...  
Section331 : 2/9/2018 12:33 pm : link
to whom? III was clearly better, IV was when Rocky climbed the surfboard and jumped the shark.
RE: Rocky IV was a universal favorite...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/9/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13827620 Section331 said:
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to whom? III was clearly better, IV was when Rocky climbed the surfboard and jumped the shark.


I won't disagree with that, but it was so damn entertaining that, if given the choice, I'm watching IV. Rocky, Rocky II, & Rocky III were much better films no doubt. But IV's absurdity is too classic.
From a movie standpoint I would order them as follows:  
Maximus, Esq. : 2/9/2018 12:42 pm : link
Rocky
Rocky II
Creed
Rocky VI (Rocky Balboa)
Rocky III
Rocky IV
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Mr Magorium's Wonder Emporium
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Rocky V
Rocky III is a cinematic classic!  
weeg in the bronx : 2/9/2018 12:47 pm : link
Has there ever been better casting than Mr. T as Clubber Lang? Hulk Hogan as Thunderlips? Plus you get some Carl Weathers and his team back for some more action. Plus Mickey dies, the most emotionalize moment in the entire series.
Drago was a punk.
RE: RE: Rocky IV was a universal favorite...  
Section331 : 2/9/2018 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13827624 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I won't disagree with that, but it was so damn entertaining that, if given the choice, I'm watching IV. Rocky, Rocky II, & Rocky III were much better films no doubt. But IV's absurdity is too classic.


Itís absurdity is what makes it borderline unwatchable to me. I prefer the absurdity of Clubber Langís character. Terrific casting.
I like III better now  
NYG07 : 2/9/2018 1:06 pm : link
They both came out before I was born. As a kid I liked 4 the best just because of Drago.

"I must break you"
"He's not a human. He's like a piece of iron"

But having seen them later in life I do like III better.
I like both, but R3 is better  
BlackLight : 2/9/2018 1:28 pm : link
They sorta painted themselves into a corner in R4 with Drago being Russian and unable to speak much English. "Hey woman" will always be superior to "I must break you."
I'm probably the only guy in the Universe who  
BlackLight : 2/9/2018 1:35 pm : link
doesn't have a problem with Rocky 5.

Not that I think it's great or anything, but none of the movies are great.
RE: I'm probably the only guy in the Universe who  
Rocky369 : 2/9/2018 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13827693 BlackLight said:
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doesn't have a problem with Rocky 5.

Not that I think it's great or anything, but none of the movies are great.

Sentence one is inaccurate as I do not have a problem with defending a fight over the theft of your son's room.
Sentence two is inaccruate as the second half should never be uttered about this franchise.
Both Great!!  
HumbleGiant : 2/9/2018 2:00 pm : link
But, I would definitely say 4. Storyline was great and the soundtrack for that movie is still probably my favorite!!
Playful question b/c obviously its fiction  
Pep22 : 2/9/2018 2:14 pm : link
rank the 3 opponents i.e. if they were in a round robin tourney
RE: Playful question b/c obviously its fiction  
Greg from LI : 2/9/2018 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13827765 Pep22 said:
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rank the 3 opponents i.e. if they were in a round robin tourney


Well, Creed was obviously based on Ali, so you'd have to assume he was a longtime champion considered to be a legendary fighter. He's 1.

Clubber Lang is the dangerous slugger, but he's an unrefined fighter. Kind of an Earnie Shavers type. #2.

Drago....yeah, he looked impressive, but who did he fight? A long-retired Creed and a washed-up Balboa, who beat him? Clearly #3.
1) Creed  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/9/2018 2:29 pm : link
2) Tommy Gunn
3) Clubber Lang
4) Drago
Rocky 4 sucks. nothing but an extended music video.  
Victor in CT : 2/9/2018 2:37 pm : link
trash compared to Rocky 3. he movies are easily ranked 1-5 simply by their release. Rocky THE BEST, followed by Rocky 2, 3, 4, 5.

I would put Rocky Balboa after 3.
I'm guessing that all of those that think 4 is better  
Post Time : 2/9/2018 3:08 pm : link
weren't even alive when the movies came out, never saw the original runs in the theater as they were released.

I was incredibly disappointed with 4 and thought the training methods were ridiculous and the US versus Russia idea way outdated by then.

Plus, 3 had Mickey's best line of all: "He'll knock you into tomorrow, Rock!!!"
wait....USA vs Russia was "way outdated" by....1985?  
Greg from LI : 2/9/2018 3:17 pm : link
Um, I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there, Bob.
The training methods in Rocky IV were incredible  
pjcas18 : 2/9/2018 3:30 pm : link
I still sometimes run through the high snow with a 6 foot tree trunk on my shoulders to prepare for any fights I may get in.
The better question is which movie was  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/9/2018 4:00 pm : link
Stalone more ripped for Rocky 3 or 4? As a kid I always thought it was 3, but as an adult Rocky 4 abs/obliques are just insane. The amounts of steroids he was on was probably not healthy.
Rocky 4  
RobCarpenter : 2/9/2018 4:13 pm : link
Because it had:

Steroids? This guy?  
Greg from LI : 2/9/2018 4:13 pm : link
NO WAY!



It's funny, too, because he looked like a relatively normal boxer in the first one

Dolph put Stallone in the hospital during filming  
RobCarpenter : 2/9/2018 4:16 pm : link
From the link:

"...after the third take of taking body blows, I felt a burning in my chest, but ignored it...Later that night I couldnít breathe very well, and they took me to the emergency room...The next thing I knew I was on a low-altitude flight from Canada to St. Johnís Hospital in Santa Monica, and there I resided in intensive care for eight days...He struck me so hard in the chest that my heart slammed against my breastbone and began to swell, so the beating became labored, and without medical attention the heart wouldíve continued to swell until it stopped. Many people that have car accidents die like this when the steering wheel slams into their chest. So in a sense I was hit by Ďa streetcar named Dragoí
Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Playful question b/c obviously its fiction  
Pep22 : 2/9/2018 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13827787 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13827765 Pep22 said:


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rank the 3 opponents i.e. if they were in a round robin tourney



Well, Creed was obviously based on Ali, so you'd have to assume he was a longtime champion considered to be a legendary fighter. He's 1.

Clubber Lang is the dangerous slugger, but he's an unrefined fighter. Kind of an Earnie Shavers type. #2.

Drago....yeah, he looked impressive, but who did he fight? A long-retired Creed and a washed-up Balboa, who beat him? Clearly #3.


Great reply !!
Its carzy Apollo gives Rocky a rematch  
AnyoneButPhilly : 2/9/2018 6:09 pm : link
but Clubber Lang just disappears into obscurity after losing to some rope a dope crap
RE: Its carzy Apollo gives Rocky a rematch  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/9/2018 6:32 pm : link
In comment 13828001 AnyoneButPhilly said:
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but Clubber Lang just disappears into obscurity after losing to some rope a dope crap


They fought twice already in Rocky III.
RE: Its carzy Apollo gives Rocky a rematch  
Jay on the Island : 2/9/2018 9:31 pm : link
In comment 13828001 AnyoneButPhilly said:
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but Clubber Lang just disappears into obscurity after losing to some rope a dope crap

Yeah Lang is the up and coming Boxer in Rocky 3 that is the future of boxing. Then in Rocky 4 he doesn't exist anymore despite him being a better matchup versus Drago than Creed was.
Things I learned about boxing via Rocky  
jnoble : 2/9/2018 9:41 pm : link
Its legal and not disqualifying to toss your opponent into the corner of the ring WWE style

Despite one opponent clearly getting pummeled and even being set up for punches, the refs won't step in to stop the fight

Don't duck or block too much. Just take one haymaker after another after another. It will just make you angry and more motivated and not knock a human unconscious.

Adrian is the original Debbie Downer: "You can't win!" "Stop the fight!"

An old man is dying in the locker room but the medics were all apparently on a lunch break

Punches miss by a mile (3 is the most fake looking)
RE: Funny parody  
JOrthman : 2/9/2018 10:18 pm : link
In comment 13827489 AcesUp said:
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Dug this up. Mock 30 for 30. If Rocky 4 Happened for Real - ( New Window )


That is the greatest
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