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In terms of the Giants, I love this mock draft...

Thatís Gold, Jerry : 2/9/2018 8:36 am
to me, this is both a logical and realistic possibility for the G-Men.
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Awful value  
JonC : 2/9/2018 8:38 am : link
When you own the #2 overall pick in the entire draft, you've got to walk away with a blue chip talent. Fans pining for OL out of desperation are completely missing that vital point.
RE: Awful value  
Victor in CT : 2/9/2018 8:38 am : link
In comment 13827350 JonC said:
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When you own the #2 overall pick in the entire draft, you've got to walk away with a blue chip talent. Fans pining for OL out of desperation are completely missing that vital point.


Agreed
A mock draft where every 1st round pick is traded.  
Diver_Down : 2/9/2018 8:42 am : link
And then people wonder why others hate mock drafts. The combine can't come soon enough.
worse than that  
WillieYoung : 2/9/2018 8:43 am : link
I read one scouting report that compared Brown to Eric Flowers because of his massive size and massive technique issues.
This is not realistic at all  
ZogZerg : 2/9/2018 8:47 am : link
Not a chance Giants trade back that far.
If NYG is hell bent on trading down  
JonC : 2/9/2018 8:48 am : link
they should be picking up an extra premium first round pick and more. Plenty of recent examples to match up value.
Premise of this mock  
Pepe LePugh : 2/9/2018 8:50 am : link
That being said, if we force ourselves to consider a trade scenario for every team, it's possible a few potential deals that make all the sense in the world start to emerge. I'll leave it to you to figure out which ones those are.
Laughable.  
NorwoodWideRight : 2/9/2018 8:59 am : link
Not even remotely realistic.
Passing on a franchise QB  
ryanmkeane : 2/9/2018 9:00 am : link
for most likely a RT and C would be absolutely awful, just awful.
No way in hell  
Reb8thVA : 2/9/2018 9:00 am : link
am I dropping down to 21. It took a lot of sucking to get the #2 pick. The further you move away from #1 pick the less likely you are to get an impact player. I wouldn't drop down further than 8, maybe 10 at the most.
If trading back that far  
ryanmkeane : 2/9/2018 9:01 am : link
for picks in the 20s, would want another 2nd and a 1st rounder next year. Still probably wouldn't do it. Rosen or Darnold are too good to pass on.
No  
jeff57 : 2/9/2018 9:01 am : link
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Danny Kanell : 2/9/2018 9:02 am : link
If they havenít already, mock drafts have officially jumped the shark after this one.
That would be a disaster  
Sean : 2/9/2018 9:02 am : link
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It would fix the OL  
Beer Man : 2/9/2018 9:06 am : link
But the value for trading that far back is not there. Plus, when you have a top-5 pick, you don't trade back into the 20's.
What an absolutely horrible  
Jay on the Island : 2/9/2018 9:11 am : link
trade down scenario. They move down from 2 and all they get is the 21st, 22nd picks plus an expensive declining Glenn and a late round pick. If Gettleman made that trade that would be worse than Reese using early 1sts on Flowers and Apple.
This is the thing I hate about the off-season  
eli4life : 2/9/2018 9:12 am : link
A billion mock drafts and 98% of them arenít realistic. Also god forbid you say their mock isnít good turns into ww3. Slightly behind mock drafts is the ton of fantasy football drafts that seem like most of the teams picked are only possible in a 2 team league or the other people are so stupid they pick their team by what color underwear the player wears
Well, all I can say is that I have read multiple articles  
Thatís Gold, Jerry : 2/9/2018 9:17 am : link
which indicate Buffalo wants to trade up to get a QB. Also, I have been ripped previously for posts that, at the time seemed outlandish, such as suggesting firing Jerry Reese several years ago (pre-2015) or posts suggesting the offensive line needed serious upgrading (say 2012). So my track record has been pretty good.

I am only focusing on the suggestion in this mock regarding the Giants and it makes sense. If we are keeping Eli, the OL has to be addressed and it cannot be done completely in FA. Say we get Norwell, which many believe will be our number one focus, and we re-sign Pugh. That means we still need a center and more youth. I am not a draft expert but getting two top OL prospects plus Glenn is pretty good value than picking, potentially, a QB or Barkley (what the hell is he going to run behind). My main point is the Giants should trade down. Maybe this is far fetched but trading down provides the best value for the Giants this year.
Im with everyone else on this one...  
Capt. Don : 2/9/2018 9:18 am : link
To move back that far would take way more than that. Almost unprecedented.

Also, not all #2 picks are created equal. When you are trading up to #2 for a blue chip QB (and everyone knows it) it will cost more than trading up to #2 for any other position.
Eli is 37  
JonC : 2/9/2018 9:19 am : link
if you covet a QB to be his successor, pick him and run away smiling. That pick could set up the next ten and more years for the franchise.
RE: Awful value  
jvm52106 : 2/9/2018 9:21 am : link
In comment 13827350 JonC said:
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When you own the #2 overall pick in the entire draft, you've got to walk away with a blue chip talent. Fans pining for OL out of desperation are completely missing that vital point.


Agree on the main point but what about accumulating more picks though? The one thing I see people post is look at how that plan has worked for Cleveland. BUt, to me that is like point out the Lottery winner who went bankrupt. Sure, that happens when the winner is an idiot but more often than not the winners of the lottery had their lives changed for the good (in terms of finances anyway).
RE: Laughable.  
TheMick7 : 2/9/2018 9:27 am : link
In comment 13827363 NorwoodWideRight said:
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Not even remotely realistic.


+1
RE: RE: Awful value  
JonC : 2/9/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 13827390 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 13827350 JonC said:


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When you own the #2 overall pick in the entire draft, you've got to walk away with a blue chip talent. Fans pining for OL out of desperation are completely missing that vital point.



Agree on the main point but what about accumulating more picks though? The one thing I see people post is look at how that plan has worked for Cleveland. BUt, to me that is like point out the Lottery winner who went bankrupt. Sure, that happens when the winner is an idiot but more often than not the winners of the lottery had their lives changed for the good (in terms of finances anyway).


See my followup post. I get the concept of stockpiling picks, but it needs to be within the context of the draft. Meaning, if your targets are gone or you don't covet a prospect, so be it. But, it has also must return a cache of quality assets as it has in recent years for other teams. We're talking premium #1, #2, future #1 picks type of package.

But, with multiple blue chip QBs on tap picking #2 overall, we must consider Eli's age, the decline in his performance, and how vital this pick is for the future of the franchise. It's not so much about 2018.
JonC agree.  
Watson : 2/9/2018 9:34 am : link
Only way I could see Giants entertaining a trade is if they're not in love with any of the QBs at 2. Whatever package of picks offered must include next year's 1.
If the Giants made that trade  
Mike from Ohio : 2/9/2018 9:35 am : link
and came out of the first round with those three players, Gettleman should be fired before the Giants are on the clock for their 2nd round pick the next day.
To move back that far is fine if they first trade down with someone  
wgenesis123 : 2/9/2018 9:36 am : link
else. Now how likely is all that, not likely at all but it would be good for the Giants. Football is a team sport that requires many good players to win. You can't talk trade down here and not get some heat from the QB club and the Barkley club.
RE: JonC agree.  
JonC : 2/9/2018 9:36 am : link
In comment 13827400 Watson said:
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Only way I could see Giants entertaining a trade is if they're not in love with any of the QBs at 2. Whatever package of picks offered must include next year's 1.


I think it's really that simple if you boil it down. No time to get cute.
what if you made that trade...  
BillKo : 2/9/2018 10:00 am : link
...but also got Buffalo's first rounder next year?

So that would be three starters on the OL, plus having two first rounders next year.

That's the only way I remotely do it.

I do agree that when you draft that high, and you like a QB that's there, you take him. You simply have to considering Eli's age.
So three linemen  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/9/2018 10:03 am : link
and another pick is pretty close to fair value. Not saying the Giants do this - the GM said that you need to fix your issues before the draft - but it isn't completely unreasonable.
Buffalo would never do a trade like that.  
eclipz928 : 2/9/2018 10:06 am : link
They're going to be going hard after Kirk Cousins to avoid having to think about a QB in the draft.
I posted this recently:  
GeorgeAdams33 : 2/9/2018 10:17 am : link
Buffalo would have to trade up twice
GeorgeAdams33 : 2/5/2018 11:48 am : link : reply
They'd have to get up into the 8 to 12 range and then work another trade to reach #2 if they wanted to get it done. They might give up pick #22plus.. to get higher up and then offer us their newly obtained pick along with pick #21plus... We could probably still get G-Nelson in the 8 to 12 range and then hopefully get a LT like McGlinchey, Williams, Brown or Okorafor at 21. I'd like to trade up from pick #34 to obtain C-Billy Price and draft Will Hernandez in the 2nd round IF we fail to sign Norwell or Fluker.
Buffalo currently owns  
GeorgeAdams33 : 2/9/2018 10:21 am : link
picks 53 & 55, as well as their 3, 4, and two 5th round picks.

They'd also have to part with future picks
RE: Buffalo would never do a trade like that.  
WillVAB : 2/9/2018 10:24 am : link
In comment 13827445 eclipz928 said:
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They're going to be going hard after Kirk Cousins to avoid having to think about a QB in the draft.


They donít really have the cap space to go after Cousins.
This trade could happen  
WillVAB : 2/9/2018 10:26 am : link
I suggested it months ago.

Giants wouldnít do it for two firsts. It would take both firsts this year, a second or both seconds, and a future first to start IMO
But Barkley isn't going in the top 5  
Default : 2/9/2018 10:35 am : link
like I continually read on here...
Cleveland trading their 1st overall pick is pure nonsense this year...  
GFAN52 : 2/9/2018 10:44 am : link
after they saw what happened the last two years and with a new GM in Dorsey.
Trade from 2  
joeinpa : 2/9/2018 10:56 am : link
Down to 20. Yikes!
I I don't get too crazy or angry much  
Tom from LI : 2/9/2018 11:00 am : link
but if the Giants did that exact trade I would get in my car, drive to JFK airport, buy a ticket to Arlington, Texas. Get on the plane, take a nap. Get off the plane. Rent a car. Put the address into my Waze app. Drive to the location of the draft. Park my car, buy a ticket to enter the draft. Enter the building. Look for Gettleman.. walk up and punch him square in the face. Then I would bitch slap Mara.. Then I would be escorted out by security and then arrested..

I don't want to trade back past 6.. and for that I want a kings ransom.. stay put and pick the BPA

Cordy Glenn is overpriced old and hurt  
Earl the goat : 2/9/2018 11:00 am : link
Orlando Brown is a RT in the NFL
Plus not enough for moving down

Grade C-
There's just no plausible  
ryanmkeane : 2/9/2018 11:01 am : link
explanation for Giants passing on the QB for 2 linemen that aren't even in the consensus top 20 players in the draft.
Note to self  
idiotsavant : 2/9/2018 11:04 am : link
Cancel firearms sale to Tom in LI.



D  
Archer : 2/9/2018 11:45 am : link
That draft would be awful
Two good OL in lieu a potential impact player.

I do not believe that the Giants can trade down that far.
The furthest they can go is 6-7 depending upon who would be available

RE: D  
WillVAB : 2/9/2018 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13827570 Archer said:
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That draft would be awful
Two good OL in lieu a potential impact player.

I do not believe that the Giants can trade down that far.
The furthest they can go is 6-7 depending upon who would be available


Linemen can be impact players too. The Eagles have 3 all-pro offensive lineman. Pretty sure they impacted this year.
RE: Awful value  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/9/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13827350 JonC said:
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When you own the #2 overall pick in the entire draft, you've got to walk away with a blue chip talent. Fans pining for OL out of desperation are completely missing that vital point.


Iím a huge OL need guy. I could live w a trade down to 6 or 7 and grab Nelson as an OL but that trade would be just dumb. If the arenít sold on any ignorant the top QBs ok. Or if the Giants are ok w Webb I can live with it. But here some studs like you can not pass up in Barkley, Fitzpatick or Chubb that a trade back 3-4 spots would be justifiable.

Anything else is crazy
RE: A mock draft where every 1st round pick is traded.  
Section331 : 2/9/2018 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13827355 Diver_Down said:
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And then people wonder why others hate mock drafts. The combine can't come soon enough.


Exactly. An exercise in stupidity.
So A Mock Where Just About Every Pick Is Traded?  
TheVette : 2/9/2018 1:29 pm : link
Not realistic at all. If the Giants are going to move that far back, they would need to get from the Bills those two #1 picks, both Bills' 2nd round picks this year, and the Bills' 1st round and heir 2nd in 2019.
This article isn't serious, it's deliberately ridiculous  
81_Great_Dane : 2/9/2018 1:59 pm : link
but as far as the Giants trading out of the #2 spot goes: Buffalo's two #1s aren't close to enough. Even for a joke article, it's not a good enough joke.
If that were to occur,  
Beezer : 2/9/2018 2:06 pm : link
especially after this past nightmarish season, even against my preference I believe I could find the strength to completely shut down this football team for 2018.
RE: RE: Awful value  
JonC : 2/9/2018 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13827607 LauderdaleMatty said:
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In comment 13827350 JonC said:


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When you own the #2 overall pick in the entire draft, you've got to walk away with a blue chip talent. Fans pining for OL out of desperation are completely missing that vital point.



Iím a huge OL need guy. I could live w a trade down to 6 or 7 and grab Nelson as an OL but that trade would be just dumb. If the arenít sold on any ignorant the top QBs ok. Or if the Giants are ok w Webb I can live with it. But here some studs like you can not pass up in Barkley, Fitzpatick or Chubb that a trade back 3-4 spots would be justifiable.

Anything else is crazy


Even a trade down to 6 for Nelson should deliver extra picks I alluded, and then you're getting a blue chip OL to set the table, etc.
and a starting LT  
NYG007 : 2/9/2018 2:42 pm : link
Is not a bad start, but I want more in trade for 2
RE: RE: JonC agree.  
BronxBob : 2/9/2018 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13827404 JonC said:
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In comment 13827400 Watson said:


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Only way I could see Giants entertaining a trade is if they're not in love with any of the QBs at 2. Whatever package of picks offered must include next year's 1.



I think it's really that simple if you boil it down. No time to get cute.


I'm on board with this. These mockers are just using an impossible conceit to spotlight some individual trades that would make sense if whatever does happen were to open up the opportunity. I hope that somehow no one has any idea what/who the Giants are prioritizing when Draft Day arrives. Probably wishful thinking ...
Trade down  
Giantslifer : 2/9/2018 3:42 pm : link
Giants need large bodies. None of these QB's is anywhere near Franchise QB ready. All have major deficiencies. Overall they are pretty average.
Best bet is to trade down get 4-5 picks in next 2 years . Eli is now a bargain. See if Webb has the ability.
3 scenarios:
Eli plays well in 2018, Webb proves he is future. Giants have at least 2 1st & 2nd rd picks(min) Giants make playoffs in 2019 & beyond

Eli stinks. Webb is future. Eli is removed in 2018. Webb takes over . Still have 2 1st &2nd rd picks (min)Giants make playoffs in 2019 & beyond

Eli stinks. Webb stinks. Giants have 2 1st & 2nd rd picks .Giants are picking in top 5 again. Between FA & 2 1st rd picks Giants find future starter. And have drafted Ol/DL/LB to strengthen team.
Make playoffs in 2019 & beyond.

Ginats draft Rosen at 2. he proves to be a slacker and injures knees. BUST
Giants drafting in top 5 for 3rd year in row.
RE: Trade down  
Ed A. : 2/9/2018 4:23 pm : link
In comment 13827860 Giantslifer said:
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Giants need large bodies. None of these QB's is anywhere near Franchise QB ready. All have major deficiencies. Overall they are pretty average.
Best bet is to trade down get 4-5 picks in next 2 years . Eli is now a bargain. See if Webb has the ability.
3 scenarios:
Eli plays well in 2018, Webb proves he is future. Giants have at least 2 1st & 2nd rd picks(min) Giants make playoffs in 2019 & beyond

Eli stinks. Webb is future. Eli is removed in 2018. Webb takes over . Still have 2 1st &2nd rd picks (min)Giants make playoffs in 2019 & beyond

Eli stinks. Webb stinks. Giants have 2 1st & 2nd rd picks .Giants are picking in top 5 again. Between FA & 2 1st rd picks Giants find future starter. And have drafted Ol/DL/LB to strengthen team.
Make playoffs in 2019 & beyond.

Ginats draft Rosen at 2. he proves to be a slacker and injures knees. BUST
Giants drafting in top 5 for 3rd year in row.


You may want to give DG a look at your crystal ball.
2 questions  
bc4life : 2/9/2018 6:34 pm : link
What do they think of Webb?

If the answer is he is not the answer, then which QB do they take - probably Darnold due to injury concerns over Rosen.

If Cleveland takes Darnold and they are not comfortable with Rosen, then they take Chubb.

I don't think they take Barkley in a RB deep draft.

RE: the OL  
bc4life : 2/9/2018 6:36 pm : link
those are need picks, which you don't use a first rounder on, especially a #2.

All those trade downs - that's like a Madden draft
The other unknown  
bc4life : 2/9/2018 6:39 pm : link
is which OL are salvageable. The realistic goal is solid quality NFL OLine play, anything above that is gravy.

Going from the status quo to Dallas's or Tennessee's OLine is unrealistic.
Almost all mocks  
old man : 2/9/2018 11:45 pm : link
that have us trading past Cleveland's #4 but still in the top 8 have been moderately poor trades for us without the others teams 2019 first, or at least 2nd as well.
A trade with Buffalo would have to include at least 2 good young starters, for starters, in addition to the 21/22 picks; and maybe even then....
That mock is proof of the harm caused by recreational drugs.
...  
est1986 : 2/10/2018 12:03 am : link
21 overall, 22 overall, Cordy Glenn AND a future first might very well be worth that second overall pick. We make that kind of trade in last years draft and we get players like Jarrad Davis and Evan Engram plus an extra first the following year... I think everyone would have been glad to do that had we had the number two pick last year...

I still hope they stay put and pick Sammy or Saquon...

But I can see us trade back if Darnold goes one and you do not want to take a RB that early, all though I disagree with that philosophy. Barkley and Fournette are the only RBís I have seen in the past decade I truly see worthy of being selected top 5 overall... Gurley pre ACL was right up there too

Other than Darnold or Barkley.... Chubb and Nelson are very very intriguing to me. If we take one at two and any of the other three slide out of the top ten I hope we make a move to jump up and get one even if it cost a first next year.
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