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ryanmkeane : 2/8/2018 2:05 pm
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On  
DanMetroMan : 2/9/2018 9:15 am : link
the same note I have to be honest (and this isn't about last night) Hicks in the Gleague reminded me a lot of the guys I would previously like but just not be quite NBA players. I'd love to be wrong.
RE: On  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 13827382 DanMetroMan said:
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the same note I have to be honest (and this isn't about last night) Hicks in the Gleague reminded me a lot of the guys I would previously like but just not be quite NBA players. I'd love to be wrong.


He looks like he still has some baby fat, he also looked hesitant, kornet on the other hand fired away..
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TheMick7 : 2/9/2018 9:31 am : link
In comment 13827352 Heisenberg said:
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I'd like Nigel Hayes to get a chance. His shooting really seems to be improved and he's definitely an NBA athlete. He has a chance to be a legit bench guy.


Hayes signed w/the Lakers
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nygiants16 : 2/9/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 13827398 TheMick7 said:
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I'd like Nigel Hayes to get a chance. His shooting really seems to be improved and he's definitely an NBA athlete. He has a chance to be a legit bench guy.



Hayes signed w/the Lakers


Signed 10 day, waz not signed to second 10 day, he is back with Westchester knickz
Luke Kornet was the third-best player on a mediocre college team  
Greg from LI : 2/9/2018 9:39 am : link
I'll be stunned if he turns out to be anything but fodder in the long run
RE: Luke Kornet was the third-best player on a mediocre college team  
DanMetroMan : 2/9/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 13827406 Greg from LI said:
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I'll be stunned if he turns out to be anything but fodder in the long run


Weird thing about Kornet was 2 years ago he shot the 3 ball really well, which was what Fran Frascila pointed to when praising the Knicks adding him, then for 2 years didn't shoot so well but when I saw him in the G league and summer league his shot looked pure. I'm NOT saying he's some future stud but I do think he could be an NBA player.
at least now  
djm : 2/9/2018 10:47 am : link
KP can't bitch or become disenchanted with the Knicks when they suck copious amounts of ball-sack the next year and a half.

So here's the fucking plan. . Play the kids here for the rest of the season. Try like hell to win, nothing wrong with that, but they won't win much. Win 4-6 games tops--probably 4 but most important is get Frank, Mudiay, Burke and anyone else that is young as much burn as possible. Then, the night before the lottery, sacrifice a goat, a chicken and if no one is looking a homeless person or do exactly the opposite of whatever this shit franchise has done the last 25 years or so. Make the pick. Develop the pick. Nurture the pick. Try like hell in 2018-2019 but focus on youth and development. Bring KP along slowly. Even slower than slowly. Get KP back into game mode by the spring of next season and once again, do whatever is needed to gain ground on the nba lottery. Make that pick. Develop and nurture that pick. Summer of 2019 and Presto.... Four-five young athletic players in the fold along with KP. Spend wisely.

It's so simple even if it's a painful 500 day stretch. DON'T FUCK THIS UP!

They will.
It sucks when it takes us 500 days  
Carl in CT : 2/9/2018 10:55 am : link
And Cleveland gets younger in an hour. Knicks piss me off.
It sucks when it takes us 500 days  
Carl in CT : 2/9/2018 10:56 am : link
And Cleveland gets younger in an hour. Knicks piss me off.
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nygiants16 : 2/9/2018 11:04 am : link
In comment 13827506 Carl in CT said:
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And Cleveland gets younger in an hour. Knicks piss me off.


You realize Knicks are one of the youngest team's in the nba right?
He's not gonna be a starter, but Kornet definitely has a chance  
Heisenberg : 2/9/2018 11:07 am : link
to be a bench stretch 5. He's a smart kid who plays hard, does a good job of taking up space and is sneaky quick out there. He moves his feet and is pretty sound defensively.

nice breakdown of some decent PnR defense - ( New Window )
16  
Carl in CT : 2/9/2018 11:26 am : link
Yup we are. Also moved into #9 place on the “Tank A Thon” last night with the Laker win and our loss. Still a way to go.
Keep Jack  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/9/2018 11:52 am : link
as a vet presence. Good mentor for the youngsters. I want Frank and Mudiay to get reps and develop, but I also want the Knicks to lose every game the rest of the season, so if that means playing Jack all game, I'm for it.
RE: It sucks when it takes us 500 days  
ajr2456 : 2/9/2018 12:24 pm : link
In comment 13827507 Carl in CT said:
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And Cleveland gets younger in an hour. Knicks piss me off.


Cleveland added a bunch of averageish players, and if Lebron leaves they'll likely toil in mediocrity for a few years.
Frank, Mudiay, Burke and Dotson  
GiantJake : 2/9/2018 12:41 pm : link
These guys should all play as many minutes as possible. Why not? Hell, play Frank and Mudiay together and flip flop them so they each get time as the 2. When Frank is at the 2, drill it into his head that he is to go out and try to score. Shoot the damn ball. Dotson's development also needs to be prioritized. He can score and play some defense. Time to learn with the big boys. I am not a fan of tanking, but the Knicks really need to move up in the lottery to ensure they get a good player in the draft. Lord knows that they can't count on a lucky bounce of the ping pong ball.
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Pep22 : 2/9/2018 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13827610 ajr2456 said:
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And Cleveland gets younger in an hour. Knicks piss me off.



Cleveland added a bunch of averageish players, and if Lebron leaves they'll likely toil in mediocrity for a few years.


They added good, young, athletic, high IQ players, none with bad contracts --- I don't know how anybody can criticize what they did.
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ajr2456 : 2/9/2018 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13827673 Pep22 said:
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And Cleveland gets younger in an hour. Knicks piss me off.



Cleveland added a bunch of averageish players, and if Lebron leaves they'll likely toil in mediocrity for a few years.



They added good, young, athletic, high IQ players, none with bad contracts --- I don't know how anybody can criticize what they did.


They were good trades, but I don't think it helps them beat the Warriors.

It's a very good trade if Lebron stays, but if he leaves they are a very average basketball team. Not bad enough to tank, not good enough to be a top 5 seed.

How good or bad this trade was all depends on Lebron.
How  
DanMetroMan : 2/9/2018 1:53 pm : link
does the FO not tell Hornacek to play Dotson etc at this point?
I always thought that the playing time after the deadline may be much  
Heisenberg : 2/9/2018 2:11 pm : link
different than before. Before, there's a credible argument to showcase vets. Now? No excuse to not play the young guys and see what you have.
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nygiants16 : 2/9/2018 2:17 pm : link
In comment 13827724 DanMetroMan said:
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does the FO not tell Hornacek to play Dotson etc at this point?


Dotson should get all of Thomas minutes as the backup 3...

Jack should no longer pkay, Breen mentioned this yesterday saying how jack will not have any minutes but I think he was just assuming...

We all know this won't happen. Though
Has  
DanMetroMan : 2/9/2018 2:44 pm : link
this Jeffries/Mudiay piece been posted yet? If not great read
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generally, I couldn't care less about the Nets  
Greg from LI : 2/9/2018 3:50 pm : link
But it's so awesome to see Joe Harris establish himself as a quality NBA player for them. He deserves it - great guy and as hard a worker as there is in the league.
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nygiants16 : 2/9/2018 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13827804 DanMetroMan said:
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this Jeffries/Mudiay piece been posted yet? If not great read Link - ( New Window )


I really hope hornacek is smart enough not to keep starting jack and give the minutes to the 3 young points..

Mudiay should start with Frank and burke getting the backup 1 and 2 spots
Management  
Pete44 : 2/9/2018 3:59 pm : link
Management should be telling Hornaceck that his job depends on the development of the young players, not wins and losses.
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nygiants16 : 2/9/2018 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13827878 Pete44 said:
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Management should be telling Hornaceck that his job depends on the development of the young players, not wins and losses.


He shouldn't need management to tell him, the team is not making the playoffs, jack is useless, even if he was trying to win mudiay is a better player
Made the mistake of flipping on Michael Kay during my lunch break.  
bceagle05 : 2/9/2018 4:06 pm : link
Apparently the Mudiay trade means the front office doesn't think Ntilikina deserves to play and Phil Jackson "wasted" that valuable asset. I know people will say their job is to rile people up and be trolls, but I actually think Michael Kay is just that stupid. It's not shtick.

Doug McDermott is the ninth or tenth man in our rotation and a restricted free agent at season's end - we flipped him for a former lottery pick who our scouts probably liked.
Jeffries makes a great point about shooting vs. finishing  
Heisenberg : 2/9/2018 4:08 pm : link
I think it's also shot selection. more than half his 2 ptrs are from mid range. He can't play that way. He's gotta do the Rockets style of every thing within 5 feet or beyond the arc.

But, Hornacek will love letting him play midrange because that's how his offense works.
RE: Made the mistake of flipping on Michael Kay during my lunch break.  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2018 4:14 pm : link
In comment 13827889 bceagle05 said:
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Apparently the Mudiay trade means the front office doesn't think Ntilikina deserves to play and Phil Jackson "wasted" that valuable asset. I know people will say their job is to rile people up and be trolls, but I actually think Michael Kay is just that stupid. It's not shtick.

Doug McDermott is the ninth or tenth man in our rotation and a restricted free agent at season's end - we flipped him for a former lottery pick who our scouts probably liked.


Michael Kay hates Phil Jackson, absolutely despises him...

He also has no idea what he is talking about, he once said if a NBA player misses a game if he doesn't miss the next game after that he is faking
Michael Kay's radio show is terrible.  
Heisenberg : 2/9/2018 4:25 pm : link
I can't listen to him talk about anything but the Yankees and baseball. He's lost in other sports. And I'm a Yankee fan who's predisposed to like the guy as I enjoy him on YES.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 2/9/2018 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13827880 nygiants16 said:
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Management should be telling Hornaceck that his job depends on the development of the young players, not wins and losses.



He shouldn't need management to tell him, the team is not making the playoffs


What are you talking about? Of course it's not his decision to make. In what other sport are you okay with the coach deciding when it's time to stop trying to win games?
Jeffries  
DanMetroMan : 2/9/2018 4:30 pm : link
sounds like the kind of guy we should look into sniping from Rick Fox's company
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nygiants16 : 2/9/2018 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13827918 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Management should be telling Hornaceck that his job depends on the development of the young players, not wins and losses.



He shouldn't need management to tell him, the team is not making the playoffs



What are you talking about? Of course it's not his decision to make. In what other sport are you okay with the coach deciding when it's time to stop trying to win games?


Yeah rereading it you are right...

I just think it is obvious jack is done, he served his purprose
Anyone want to defend Hornacek after seeing this? lol  
DanMetroMan : 2/9/2018 4:38 pm : link
Yeah we need to stop with Jack and Lance already.  
bceagle05 : 2/9/2018 4:42 pm : link
Frank, Mudiay, Burke, Hardaway, Lee, Dotson should cover every minute at the 1/2/3 (I'm counting Beasley as a 4) for the remainder of the season.
Even if Knicks were trying to win  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2018 4:42 pm : link
I don't think jack should be starting..

Who are we kidding though, jack will start until the last week of the season
RE: Jeffries makes a great point about shooting vs. finishing  
Keith : 2/9/2018 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13827893 Heisenberg said:
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I think it's also shot selection. more than half his 2 ptrs are from mid range. He can't play that way. He's gotta do the Rockets style of every thing within 5 feet or beyond the arc.

But, Hornacek will love letting him play midrange because that's how his offense works.


The issue with that though....do players all of a sudden become good finishers? I feel like it's either an ability you have or dont have. Guy can become better shooters, but how does one become a better finisher?
RE: RE: Jeffries makes a great point about shooting vs. finishing  
DanMetroMan : 2/9/2018 4:55 pm : link
In comment 13827942 Keith said:
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I think it's also shot selection. more than half his 2 ptrs are from mid range. He can't play that way. He's gotta do the Rockets style of every thing within 5 feet or beyond the arc.

But, Hornacek will love letting him play midrange because that's how his offense works.



The issue with that though....do players all of a sudden become good finishers? I feel like it's either an ability you have or dont have. Guy can become better shooters, but how does one become a better finisher?


In theory maybe there are exercises you can do to improve.
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RE: RE: Jeffries makes a great point about shooting vs. finishing  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2018 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13827942 Keith said:
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I think it's also shot selection. more than half his 2 ptrs are from mid range. He can't play that way. He's gotta do the Rockets style of every thing within 5 feet or beyond the arc.

But, Hornacek will love letting him play midrange because that's how his offense works.



The issue with that though....do players all of a sudden become good finishers? I feel like it's either an ability you have or dont have. Guy can become better shooters, but how does one become a better finisher?


I do think there is an art to what a guy like kyrie does at the rim..

I think what he can change is not forcing bad shots at the rim, if it is not there kick it out or find the roll guy..

Derrick rose people consider a good finisher but how many times did he miss at the rim because of him forcing the shot?

I think we have to look to see if he is a bad finisher like shunper was or is just taking bad shots? There is a difference you can fix someone taking bad shots
I also think mudiay tries to finesse to much  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2018 5:06 pm : link
He has the athleticism to play above the rim, I think he should use to more, get to the line where he is an 80 percent shooter...

I am not saying he can be westbrook but he needs to play angry when he attacks the rim
Yup Mudiay  
Carl in CT : 2/9/2018 5:22 pm : link
Was one of my guys like Mitchell and DSJ. Didn’t know KP and sure as hell didn’t want him. WTF do I know. Love me some PG’s.
The two afternoon sports radio shows are terrible  
djm : 2/9/2018 8:02 pm : link
I go to one, curse loudly and shout how stupid that opinion or take was, then go to the other and do the same thing. Then I inevitably bounce back to Sirius and listen to stern repeats or NFL radio. I try to listen to both and can't. Both shows literally make me angry. Like David banner sports hulk angry....
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ajr2456 : 2/9/2018 8:24 pm : link
In comment 13828075 djm said:
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I go to one, curse loudly and shout how stupid that opinion or take was, then go to the other and do the same thing. Then I inevitably bounce back to Sirius and listen to stern repeats or NFL radio. I try to listen to both and can't. Both shows literally make me angry. Like David banner sports hulk angry....


They let the rapper play The Hulk?
Stuck at LAX, I watched Mavs-Lakers and  
Del Shofner : 2/11/2018 12:30 am : link
Dougie McB looked pretty good for Dallas.
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nygiants16 : 2/11/2018 7:30 am : link
In comment 13828925 Del Shofner said:
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Dougie McB looked pretty good for Dallas.


He played well at the beginning of the season and then December and January he played awful
I know Mudiay was touted as a great athlete, but I don't really see it  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/11/2018 11:33 am : link
thus far. He's more athletic than Frank for sure, but certainly not some jet-quick pogo stick. He's big for the position and smooth for sure.

Honestly I wanted him more than KP way back when, let's see how he gets used here. The Nuggets drafted Harris and Murray around the same time as well. Murray seems the most skilled and with the most "it" factor and Harris is solid, but it's kinda surprising Mudiay fell out of favor there so fast. It really isn't an exact science.
RE: Kornet  
djm : 2/11/2018 11:50 am : link
In comment 13827277 DanMetroMan said:
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also flashed in the G-League. I was pretty impressed, he could be an NBA asset if he can provide semi passable D


You have to wonder if kornet's presence motivated the Knicks to deal off Gomez. I mean the guy comes up and plays very well in game one, better than Gomez ever did from a pure NBA needs pov.

We all hate how they handled Gomez but if kornett is a legit big it would help validate the Knicks intentions.
Kornet was shockingly agile on defense the other night.  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/11/2018 12:04 pm : link
He could really be an asset, of course Hornack will bench him for Noah.
Noah keeps getting told not to come back...  
manh george : 2/11/2018 12:52 pm : link
so I don't think that's a problem. He will be away "until further notice." (link)

Maybe the Knicks hope that his desire to actually play again will lead to a modest discount on a buyout if they keep him away but I think his playing time as a Knick is over in any event.

Now I wonder whether they re-sign Kanter and Beasley. Both, I suspect, badly want to stay and will give the Knicks a discount.

Then, if they get to draft one of the really talented 3s likely to be available in the 7-10 slot of the draft, I wonder if they trade Lee.

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RE: Noah keeps getting told not to come back...  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2018 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13829104 manh george said:
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so I don't think that's a problem. He will be away "until further notice." (link)

Maybe the Knicks hope that his desire to actually play again will lead to a modest discount on a buyout if they keep him away but I think his playing time as a Knick is over in any event.

Now I wonder whether they re-sign Kanter and Beasley. Both, I suspect, badly want to stay and will give the Knicks a discount.

Then, if they get to draft one of the really talented 3s likely to be available in the 7-10 slot of the draft, I wonder if they trade Lee. Link - ( New Window )


I'd be shocked if kanter opted out...

If you can resign Beasley for a little less then mid level I would do it..

No way in hell does Kanter opt out  
djm : 2/11/2018 1:16 pm : link
He loves it here in NYC and won't get that much money on the open market even if it's just one year. He stays put for now.
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