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McDaniel's Agent, Bob Lamonte, Thinks He Made A Big Mistake

gidiefor : Mod : 2/7/2018 11:34 am
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McDanielsí agent, Bob Lamonte, told McDaniels this could be the biggest professional mistake of his life, NFL Network reported Wednesday morning. Lamonte is also the agent for Colts GM Chris Ballard, so the 11th-hour heel turn devastated McDanielsí own agent for multiple reasons.

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RE: RE: You shouldn't do stuff like this....  
BillKo : 2/7/2018 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13825215 SHO'NUFF said:
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..it ruins your reputation. And he already had a bit of a repute as being hard to deal with.

If you're going to act like that, you need a track record like Bellichick.

McDaniel hasn't achieved squat.



Belichick didn't have the track record, at the time, either.


What did Bellichick do that resembled this?

He was denied/not allowed to talk to the Pats. So he left the Jets.

That was a totally unique situation, doesn't compare to this.
Maybe McDaniels realized he didnít have the power to pick  
Ivan15 : 2/7/2018 1:27 pm : link
his own coaches so he bailed.

His next job interview could be entertaining.
Graziano  
jeff57 : 2/7/2018 1:28 pm : link
Source says agent Bob LaMonte, who represents Josh McDaniels, Colts GM Chris Ballard and many other coaches/execs, is terminating his relationship with McDaniels
Professional suicide  
David B. : 2/7/2018 1:34 pm : link
He not only screwed the Colts, he screwed all the coaches who were going to comprise his staff ON the Colts. Some of those guys LEFT jobs, and now don't have one.


It's unlikely a team will ever offer him a HC job again after seeing him screw the Colts (though teams do insane things), and even if they did, why would any assistants around the league trust him enough to agree to leave jobs to go work for him?

McDaniels is dead meat. And as he's always been an arrogant tool, he kind of deserves it. All he has left is to wait out Belichickís retirement. Assuming Kraft will hand him the job.
People who are comparing this Belichick are missing something  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2018 1:34 pm : link
McDaniels interviewed for the Colts job. He was actively seeking it. Belichick was NOT seeking the Jets job. He was in a situation where he was Parcells' designated successor, but Parcells would never commit to a year in which he was actually going to step down. Because of that, he was frustrated. When New England asked to interview him, Parcells panicked because he knew Belichick was tired of waiting on him and would likely take the New England job, so he abruptly resigned and elevated Belichick to the HC job. Belichick didn't seek it out, it was thrust upon him.
RE: People who are comparing this Belichick are missing something  
Victor in CT : 2/7/2018 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13825373 Greg from LI said:
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McDaniels interviewed for the Colts job. He was actively seeking it. Belichick was NOT seeking the Jets job. He was in a situation where he was Parcells' designated successor, but Parcells would never commit to a year in which he was actually going to step down. Because of that, he was frustrated. When New England asked to interview him, Parcells panicked because he knew Belichick was tired of waiting on him and would likely take the New England job, so he abruptly resigned and elevated Belichick to the HC job. Belichick didn't seek it out, it was thrust upon him.


This is absolutely correct.
Shows he didn't learn a thing from his failure in Denver  
moespree : 2/7/2018 1:39 pm : link
Making the same kinds of dickish moves and mistakes, alienating people around the league. I'm sure it will work out well for him when he's suddenly the NE coach with no Belichick and no Brady.
RE: Seriously guys, in the land of the free, criticizing a guy  
UConn4523 : 2/7/2018 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13825330 Thatís Gold, Jerry said:
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for making such a decision. Would you want to work for Jim Irsay in a situation where your franchise QB may never play football again, at least not at QB?

Look, who knows if he made the right decision but he has the right, until he puts his name on the contract, to do whatever he likes. It's hard to understand how a society that promotes free will etc and the ability to do what you want criticizes a guy for staying where he is.

No one knows his personal situation...maybe he decided he didn't want to pull his kids out of school, maybe they were settled there socially and his wife didn't want to move. There could be a myriad of reasons. I think the question should be more on Indy for focusing on just one guy.


On Indy? If they were told the deal was done why would they pursue other candidates? The staff was already being put together BY McDaniels. Maybe McDaniels got cold feet, but I doubt it. Iím guessing he got a great counter offered and stayed, which is his right. But it doesnít change the fact that itís a dick move.
LaMonte has terminated his relationship  
jlukes : 2/7/2018 1:41 pm : link
with McDaniels
By the way  
moespree : 2/7/2018 1:42 pm : link
Why would anyone want to go coach with this guy now? There are now assistant coaches in Indianapolis who uped their entire family because of this dope who will now either be forced upon the eventual new Indy coach or likely let out of any type of deal they may have made. Which presents it's own problems because now many of the other position coach jobs around the league are already being filled.

I don't know why anyone would want to coach with this guy when he became HC ever again.
He knew who Jim Irsay is before he even interviewed  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2018 1:44 pm : link
And if he had concerns about Andrew Luck, he should have insisted on a realistic assessment of Luck's condition. Neither Irsay nor Luck are acceptable excuses for backing out of a committment.
that Gary Myers called him the "best candidate" should be enough.  
Victor in CT : 2/7/2018 1:47 pm : link
The guy is a doosh. Making Irsay into a sympathetic figure takes some world class dickiness. He's caused good men to be out of jobs by his actions. I couldn't be happier that the Giants didn't want or were beaten to him (take your pick).
RE: RE: People who are comparing this Belichick are missing something  
BillKo : 2/7/2018 1:52 pm : link
In comment 13825379 Victor in CT said:
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McDaniels interviewed for the Colts job. He was actively seeking it. Belichick was NOT seeking the Jets job. He was in a situation where he was Parcells' designated successor, but Parcells would never commit to a year in which he was actually going to step down. Because of that, he was frustrated. When New England asked to interview him, Parcells panicked because he knew Belichick was tired of waiting on him and would likely take the New England job, so he abruptly resigned and elevated Belichick to the HC job. Belichick didn't seek it out, it was thrust upon him.



This is absolutely correct.


Exactly correct.

Bellichick was essentially being dragged into it, even though he previously agreed take over when Parcells retired. But the monkey wrench was the Pats asked to speak with BB......and Parcells tried to pull a fast one by resigning and elevating BB.

BB simply resigned. He actually had no guarantee he would have gotten the Pats job.......
RE: RE: People who are comparing this Belichick are missing something  
BillKo : 2/7/2018 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13825379 Victor in CT said:
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McDaniels interviewed for the Colts job. He was actively seeking it. Belichick was NOT seeking the Jets job. He was in a situation where he was Parcells' designated successor, but Parcells would never commit to a year in which he was actually going to step down. Because of that, he was frustrated. When New England asked to interview him, Parcells panicked because he knew Belichick was tired of waiting on him and would likely take the New England job, so he abruptly resigned and elevated Belichick to the HC job. Belichick didn't seek it out, it was thrust upon him.



This is absolutely correct.


The other part of it is Parcells/the Jets never verified they received a fax requesting an interview with BB. Parcells simply resigned and elevated BB.

Also, Jets ownership was in flux. Leon Hess had died, and that was the man who made the agreement about BB taking over for Parcells when he was ready to give it up.
RE: Seriously guys, in the land of the free, criticizing a guy  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/7/2018 2:43 pm : link
In comment 13825330 Thatís Gold, Jerry said:
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for making such a decision. Would you want to work for Jim Irsay in a situation where your franchise QB may never play football again, at least not at QB?

Look, who knows if he made the right decision but he has the right, until he puts his name on the contract, to do whatever he likes. It's hard to understand how a society that promotes free will etc and the ability to do what you want criticizes a guy for staying where he is.

No one knows his personal situation...maybe he decided he didn't want to pull his kids out of school, maybe they were settled there socially and his wife didn't want to move. There could be a myriad of reasons. I think the question should be more on Indy for focusing on just one guy.


There's another possibility going on here that you didn't iterate -- and that was that Bob Kraft wants to get back at the Colts for Deflategate -- and it might have been worth it to him to dangle a few million and future promises to McDaniels to screw the Colts back for making the complaint that landed the Pats in the soup.. Deflategate cost the Pats the suspension of Brady, $1 million and a first round pick, not to mention all the bad press and legal bills.
McDaniels  
Giantslifer : 2/7/2018 3:00 pm : link
Who in their right mind would work for Irsay if they had options?
RE: RE: Seriously guys, in the land of the free, criticizing a guy  
T-Bone : 2/7/2018 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13825519 gidiefor said:
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for making such a decision. Would you want to work for Jim Irsay in a situation where your franchise QB may never play football again, at least not at QB?

Look, who knows if he made the right decision but he has the right, until he puts his name on the contract, to do whatever he likes. It's hard to understand how a society that promotes free will etc and the ability to do what you want criticizes a guy for staying where he is.

No one knows his personal situation...maybe he decided he didn't want to pull his kids out of school, maybe they were settled there socially and his wife didn't want to move. There could be a myriad of reasons. I think the question should be more on Indy for focusing on just one guy.




There's another possibility going on here that you didn't iterate -- and that was that Bob Kraft wants to get back at the Colts for Deflategate -- and it might have been worth it to him to dangle a few million and future promises to McDaniels to screw the Colts back for making the complaint that landed the Pats in the soup.. Deflategate cost the Pats the suspension of Brady, $1 million and a first round pick, not to mention all the bad press and legal bills.


And right on queue, Shefter just tweeted the following:

Text from one league source: ďThatís Kraft putting it to the Colts again. He will forever try and (expletive) that place ever since deflate gate.Ē

Thatís what I call petty!
RE: McDaniels  
Victor in CT : 2/7/2018 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13825556 Giantslifer said:
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Who in their right mind would work for Irsay if they had options?


Apparently he would. Supposedly he "turned down" the Giants (Thank God) for the Colts.

The guy is an asshole.
RE: RE: RE: Seriously guys, in the land of the free, criticizing a guy  
BigBlueShock : 2/7/2018 3:09 pm : link
In comment 13825570 T-Bone said:
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for making such a decision. Would you want to work for Jim Irsay in a situation where your franchise QB may never play football again, at least not at QB?

Look, who knows if he made the right decision but he has the right, until he puts his name on the contract, to do whatever he likes. It's hard to understand how a society that promotes free will etc and the ability to do what you want criticizes a guy for staying where he is.

No one knows his personal situation...maybe he decided he didn't want to pull his kids out of school, maybe they were settled there socially and his wife didn't want to move. There could be a myriad of reasons. I think the question should be more on Indy for focusing on just one guy.




There's another possibility going on here that you didn't iterate -- and that was that Bob Kraft wants to get back at the Colts for Deflategate -- and it might have been worth it to him to dangle a few million and future promises to McDaniels to screw the Colts back for making the complaint that landed the Pats in the soup.. Deflategate cost the Pats the suspension of Brady, $1 million and a first round pick, not to mention all the bad press and legal bills.



And right on queue, Shefter just tweeted the following:

Text from one league source: ďThatís Kraft putting it to the Colts again. He will forever try and (expletive) that place ever since deflate gate.Ē

Thatís what I call petty!

Bill Polian was on this morning and said that the tension actually dates all the way back to Spygate
I wouldn't be surprised if Kraft did it to get back at them  
moespree : 2/7/2018 3:11 pm : link
He doesn't appear to be a great guy. Rumors circled him for years regarding connections to organized crime. That Foxboro Raceway purchase he made in the 80s as a sneaky way to try to bankrupt the Patriots owners had rumored Boston mob connections. One story suggests he got the 10 year option with that race track from a guy who was introduced to Kraft by someone later convicted on RICO charges in 1991. His significant funds tied up in offshore accounts under dummy business names have led to whispers regarding money laundering schemes.

Bottom line is Kraft is not the nicest person in the history of the world and I would not be surprised at all if he held onto a grudge against the Colts and Irsay.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Seriously guys, in the land of the free, criticizing a guy  
Victor in CT : 2/7/2018 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13825585 BigBlueShock said:
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for making such a decision. Would you want to work for Jim Irsay in a situation where your franchise QB may never play football again, at least not at QB?

Look, who knows if he made the right decision but he has the right, until he puts his name on the contract, to do whatever he likes. It's hard to understand how a society that promotes free will etc and the ability to do what you want criticizes a guy for staying where he is.

No one knows his personal situation...maybe he decided he didn't want to pull his kids out of school, maybe they were settled there socially and his wife didn't want to move. There could be a myriad of reasons. I think the question should be more on Indy for focusing on just one guy.




There's another possibility going on here that you didn't iterate -- and that was that Bob Kraft wants to get back at the Colts for Deflategate -- and it might have been worth it to him to dangle a few million and future promises to McDaniels to screw the Colts back for making the complaint that landed the Pats in the soup.. Deflategate cost the Pats the suspension of Brady, $1 million and a first round pick, not to mention all the bad press and legal bills.



And right on queue, Shefter just tweeted the following:

Text from one league source: ďThatís Kraft putting it to the Colts again. He will forever try and (expletive) that place ever since deflate gate.Ē

Thatís what I call petty!


Bill Polian was on this morning and said that the tension actually dates all the way back to Spygate


and probably back further, to the 2003 AFC Title game when Polian and Manning cried so much about the officiating that the rules were change to basically outlaw defense.
RE: Seriously guys, in the land of the free, criticizing a guy  
Section331 : 2/7/2018 3:37 pm : link
In comment 13825330 Thatís Gold, Jerry said:
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for making such a decision. Would you want to work for Jim Irsay in a situation where your franchise QB may never play football again, at least not at QB?

Look, who knows if he made the right decision but he has the right, until he puts his name on the contract, to do whatever he likes. It's hard to understand how a society that promotes free will etc and the ability to do what you want criticizes a guy for staying where he is.

No one knows his personal situation...maybe he decided he didn't want to pull his kids out of school, maybe they were settled there socially and his wife didn't want to move. There could be a myriad of reasons. I think the question should be more on Indy for focusing on just one guy.


Maybe so, but I know if I accepted a job with an employer, and then changed my mind, I would never bother sending that employer a resume again. McDaniel certainly has the right to d othis, but good luck finding another NFL job with any team not named the Pats.
I donít think he made a mistake  
5BowlsSoon : 2/7/2018 4:22 pm : link
What he did was wrong on some levels, but Iím convinced he has been told he is the man to follow B.B. whenever he leaves. In the meantime, you make good money, you have an easy job for you, you donít have the stress of an nfl coach, you might not even be a good head coach if you leave, and you pretty much are guaranteed a position here in NE if you stay.

Plus, maybe he has strong ties in the NE area that he doesnít want to give up.
RE: I donít think he made a mistake  
Victor in CT : 2/7/2018 4:26 pm : link
In comment 13825717 5BowlsSoon said:
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What he did was wrong on some levels, but Iím convinced he has been told he is the man to follow B.B. whenever he leaves. In the meantime, you make good money, you have an easy job for you, you donít have the stress of an nfl coach, you might not even be a good head coach if you leave, and you pretty much are guaranteed a position here in NE if you stay.

Plus, maybe he has strong ties in the NE area that he doesnít want to give up.


All reasonable things that an honorable person would have figured out BEFORE accepting the job and hiring staff.
RE: Professional suicide  
MotownGIANTS : 2/7/2018 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13825371 David B. said:
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He not only screwed the Colts, he screwed all the coaches who were going to comprise his staff ON the Colts. Some of those guys LEFT jobs, and now don't have one.


It's unlikely a team will ever offer him a HC job again after seeing him screw the Colts (though teams do insane things), and even if they did, why would any assistants around the league trust him enough to agree to leave jobs to go work for him?

McDaniels is dead meat. And as he's always been an arrogant tool, he kind of deserves it. All he has left is to wait out Belichickís retirement. Assuming Kraft will hand him the job.


That is the f'd up part ... he screwed over people that trusted him and made a changed based off him and his word ... He is not the stuff champions are made off. NE will fall back into the abyss of the NFL .... it is going to be hilarious!
RE: RE: I donít think he made a mistake  
T-Bone : 2/7/2018 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13825724 Victor in CT said:
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What he did was wrong on some levels, but Iím convinced he has been told he is the man to follow B.B. whenever he leaves. In the meantime, you make good money, you have an easy job for you, you donít have the stress of an nfl coach, you might not even be a good head coach if you leave, and you pretty much are guaranteed a position here in NE if you stay.

Plus, maybe he has strong ties in the NE area that he doesnít want to give up.



All reasonable things that an honorable person would have figured out BEFORE accepting the job and hiring staff.


Pretty much.

I'm dumbfounded as to how anyone could try to explain this in a positive light.
Do I think McDaniels handled it poorly...sure  
dd in Mass : 2/7/2018 5:50 pm : link
But he was a hot commodity, got offered a head coach position. So of course, getting a shot at running an NFL team is a chance of a lifetime. Plus he is a 2nd timer....which doesn't happen often.

The Pats, Bill, and Kraft heading to the Superbowl had other priorities. Once the game was over, Kraft sought out Bill to find out his intentions. They met for 5-6 hours to discuss the future. Kraft then realized he didn't want to lose his in house young OC. So he made him an Offer that was too good to pass up. ( I'm thinking Brady may have been in his ear)

At that point, Kraft gets to screw the Colts and Irsay. He clears up the future with Bill. Looks like he coach for 1 more year. He provides his franchise a succession plan by keeping McDaniels in the fold. Oh, and there is a smile on Brady's face.

McDaniels can't say no. His wife and kids get to stay in NE. Where they have built a life loaded with friends and family. There is the certainty of working with an owner that you like and admire. A HOF head coach who approved of the plan. A GM who you know and respect. Plus a QB who's been one the best.

The issue was the timing of Kraft and Bill sitting down. It makes McDaniels look foolish, letting his assistants leave jobs, it embarrasses the Colts organization. And now his agent cut ties with him.

At the end of the day......a happy wife makes for a happy life. LOL
RE: He knew who Jim Irsay is before he even interviewed  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/7/2018 6:37 pm : link
In comment 13825399 Greg from LI said:
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And if he had concerns about Andrew Luck, he should have insisted on a realistic assessment of Luck's condition. Neither Irsay nor Luck are acceptable excuses for backing out of a committment.


All of this. How is Irsay even being used as an argument. You know what he is. He didn't just figure it out weeks after having the job and signing his coaching staff. I can't see how other working adults can have this opinion.
The thing about McDaniel...  
DonQuixote : 2/7/2018 8:53 pm : link
I don't now anything about the guy, I've never met him. I cannot evaluate his qualities as a coach.

I read the newspapers ... and from a tidbit here and a quote there ... I get the sense he is a major league asshole.
RE: Seriously guys, in the land of the free, criticizing a guy  
1st and 10 : 2/8/2018 8:09 am : link
In comment 13825330 Thatís Gold, Jerry said:
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for making such a decision. Would you want to work for Jim Irsay in a situation where your franchise QB may never play football again, at least not at QB?

Look, who knows if he made the right decision but he has the right, until he puts his name on the contract, to do whatever he likes. It's hard to understand how a society that promotes free will etc and the ability to do what you want criticizes a guy for staying where he is.

No one knows his personal situation...maybe he decided he didn't want to pull his kids out of school, maybe they were settled there socially and his wife didn't want to move. There could be a myriad of reasons. I think the question should be more on Indy for focusing on just one guy.


All that is fine and he does have the right to change his mind, but it is still a dick move. He should have known prior to interviewing that he did not want to work for Irsay, he should have spoken to his wife about the move. Are you telling me his wife had no idea for 3 weeks that she was moving there? BS. It was a dick move, plain and simple.
This is a quite..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/8/2018 8:16 am : link
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At the end of the day......a happy wife makes for a happy life. LOL


Maybe Broncos and Colts players are the only ones trying to bang McDaniels wife and she's perfectly safe in NE??
If you have concerns then fine, look into them and decide  
PatersonPlank : 2/8/2018 9:21 am : link
before you sign something. Once you sign its on you. The Colts did nothing wrong here, McDaniel is an idiot.
One thing a few of you are not getting  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/8/2018 10:02 am : link
is the Old Boy Network that is the NFL ---

How many Head Coaches were known to be going to other teams while they were in the midst of a playoff run and really not able to talk about another job

In management, in that industry, your word is understood to be your bond. It's incredible when you think about it -- Lamonte tossed a huge payday to separate himself from McDaniels because of this.

McDaniels has no options or leverage in the NFL anymore -- he either does what Kraft says or he's screwed. He gave up his integrity and any opportunity to go anywhere else in the NFL with the way he handled this. He is now officially a high-paid water boy. What happens when Belichick leaves the Pats and McDaniels craps out? or if Kraft changes his mind about him -- he is on an iceberg.
RE: One thing a few of you are not getting  
T-Bone : 2/8/2018 10:39 am : link
In comment 13826230 gidiefor said:
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is the Old Boy Network that is the NFL ---

How many Head Coaches were known to be going to other teams while they were in the midst of a playoff run and really not able to talk about another job

In management, in that industry, your word is understood to be your bond. It's incredible when you think about it -- Lamonte tossed a huge payday to separate himself from McDaniels because of this.

McDaniels has no options or leverage in the NFL anymore -- he either does what Kraft says or he's screwed. He gave up his integrity and any opportunity to go anywhere else in the NFL with the way he handled this. He is now officially a high-paid water boy. What happens when Belichick leaves the Pats and McDaniels craps out? or if Kraft changes his mind about him -- he is on an iceberg.


Another possible side effect of this is how other teams will treat the Pats when/if they ever want to interview one of their coaches. I can see quite a few owners being put off by what Kraft did and therefore not working with him when he needs anything.
RE: This is a quite..  
mrvax : 2/8/2018 11:20 am : link
In comment 13826119 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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At the end of the day......a happy wife makes for a happy life. LOL



Maybe Broncos and Colts players are the only ones trying to bang McDaniels wife and she's perfectly safe in NE??


Not with Belichick in town.
RE: RE: McDaniels  
Giantslifer : 2/8/2018 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13825571 Victor in CT said:
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Who in their right mind would work for Irsay if they had options?



Apparently he would. Supposedly he "turned down" the Giants (Thank God) for the Colts.

The guy is an asshole.


Imagine this: Kraft, BB, TB and McDaniels all sitting in Kraft's office .
laughing their asses off at the Colts. "Dumbasses released info that he was signed" Rivalry? Our Ass!
Not defending JM  
mako J : 2/8/2018 1:45 pm : link
But if you were already employed as an assistant in the NFL, why would you leave your current job and organization based solely on verbal agreements with JM who wasn't under contract yet?

Unless JM forced those guys to resign before offering them the job, it's their own fault.

Also, I second the notion that the Colts are better off without him.
RE: Not defending JM  
T-Bone : 2/8/2018 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13826588 mako J said:
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But if you were already employed as an assistant in the NFL, why would you leave your current job and organization based solely on verbal agreements with JM who wasn't under contract yet?

Unless JM forced those guys to resign before offering them the job, it's their own fault.

Also, I second the notion that the Colts are better off without him.


It's simple really... because in the history of the league, how many times has this happened? I'm thinking that they believe McDaniels when he contacted them about being on his staff in Indy. They trusted that he'd be going there and since what he did rarely happens in the league, they believed him. I could see you're point if this had happened more than maybe once or twice before (and I can't think of a time it EVER happened before but who knows what goes on behind the scenes in the league) but this caught everyone by surprised. The Colts even announced him as their head coach! Which means they must've had some kind of confirmation that he was coming there.

A better question is to wonder how much of a hit McDaniels' (not to mention Kraft and maybe Belichick) take by this move. I'm sure that many in the coaching (and owners) groups aren't very happy with McDaniels right now and that may hurt them when it comes to him trying to get his own assistants when he's ready to take over. I'm pretty sure he won't be able to call the guys he has stuck in Indy right now lol.
wait, it's the assistants' own fault for taking McDaniels at his word?  
Greg from LI : 2/8/2018 2:00 pm : link
Are you serious?? They get a call from Josh McDaniels, he tells them that he's the new coach of the Colts and offers them a job, they accept....and when he welshes on them and leaves them high and dry, you think they have no one else to blame?

That's a bizarre take.
I mean, how do they know the exact details of his contract negotiation  
Greg from LI : 2/8/2018 2:02 pm : link
"Hey, Josh, it's Coach X here. I'd love to take the job, but first I need a favor from you. Could you fax me a signed copy of your contract?"
I get that this is a unique situation  
mako J : 2/8/2018 2:04 pm : link
Show me an offer sheet, or contract, and then I'll put my notice in. I'm not quitting an already extremely hard to get job just because of a verbal agreement with a guy who wasn't even a Colt yet.
RE: I get that this is a unique situation  
T-Bone : 2/8/2018 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13826635 mako J said:
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Show me an offer sheet, or contract, and then I'll put my notice in. I'm not quitting an already extremely hard to get job just because of a verbal agreement with a guy who wasn't even a Colt yet.


No offense... but you're also not an NFL assistance coach.

If you were, you probably would... or else you run the risk of that coach going with someone else while you wait for him to send you his copy of his contract.
You misunderstood  
mako J : 2/8/2018 3:07 pm : link
Not a copy of JM's contract. That's absurd. The Colts organization sends me a contract or offer, then I'll proceed with placing my notice. JM and I can reach an agreement but JM isn't the one paying my salary. Irsay is.

Do assistant coaches not have agents?  
mako J : 2/8/2018 3:11 pm : link
Clearly not if they're dumb enough to quit their job based on a phone call with a Patriot coach about a Colt position.
Now its being reported  
MetsAreBack : 2/8/2018 3:33 pm : link
that Gronk may be serious with his retirement threats.

I hope he has something in writing from Kraft.
RE: You misunderstood  
T-Bone : 2/8/2018 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13826879 mako J said:
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Not a copy of JM's contract. That's absurd. The Colts organization sends me a contract or offer, then I'll proceed with placing my notice. JM and I can reach an agreement but JM isn't the one paying my salary. Irsay is.


You're correct... I did misunderstand (and maybe still do) because those assistance coaches DID receive a contract from the Colts and are contractually tied to the Colts now WITHOUT the guy who was supposed to be there to be their HC. They're employed. The problem is that they're employed by a team that doesn't have a HC and when they do hire a HC that HC probably won't like having guys another guy hired to be there with him. That's what makes this situation so bad... not that those assistance coaches are unemployed... it's that they are employed but the guy who asked them to go there reneged on his commitment and decided to stay in NE.

I see your point.  
mako J : 2/8/2018 5:40 pm : link
I really need to research the specifics, but I'm assuming these were promotions and not lateral moves right?

This is more like college recruits being burned by vacating coaches then. As 'trel would say, at the end of the day, these coaches have an opportunity to advance their careers by performing under adverse conditions.

Now if Indy releases them when the new coach is hired, shame on Indy and JM.
RE: I see your point.  
T-Bone : 2/8/2018 6:01 pm : link
In comment 13827114 mako J said:
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I really need to research the specifics, but I'm assuming these were promotions and not lateral moves right?

This is more like college recruits being burned by vacating coaches then. As 'trel would say, at the end of the day, these coaches have an opportunity to advance their careers by performing under adverse conditions.

Now if Indy releases them when the new coach is hired, shame on Indy and JM.


I donít know if they were lateral moves or promotions. I havenít looked into this situation that much. All I know is what I told you and thatís as of right now there are some assistant coaches who are now employed by the Colts but are going to be without the man who asked them to be there in the first place. I agree that itís similar to when college coaches leave a team after recruiting a player and having him commit EXCEPT that that kind of scenario has played out plenty of times in the past so recruits should at least be aware that something like this COULD happen. Iím not sure Iíve ever heard of what happened in the Colts/McDaniels before now. These are peopleís LIVES he played with like he did... thereís something very wrong about that.

I disagree though that if the Colts fire those ACs theyíre at fault. Itís not their fault McDaniels bailed on them and they canít... or maybe I should say shouldnít... expect whoever the new coach is to have to accept them on his staff. What if there are basic philosophical differences between the new HC and the assistants he didnít ask to be on his staff?
Certainly shouldn't force a coach on a coach  
mako J : 2/8/2018 8:28 pm : link
But whoever gets the job, it's late in the game re: hiring assistants isn't it? I mean drastic philosophical differences notwithstanding, these guys were probably near the top of any potential HC's short list. All this discussion could be moot if the HC keeps them and they succeed. I'm pulling for them.

I'd be interested to see the timing of JM agreeing to terms vs the signing of these assistants. We can agree he messed up, I'm just not as quick to call it malice.
RE: Certainly shouldn't force a coach on a coach  
T-Bone : 2/8/2018 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13827188 mako J said:
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But whoever gets the job, it's late in the game re: hiring assistants isn't it? I mean drastic philosophical differences notwithstanding, these guys were probably near the top of any potential HC's short list. All this discussion could be moot if the HC keeps them and they succeed. I'm pulling for them.

I'd be interested to see the timing of JM agreeing to terms vs the signing of these assistants. We can agree he messed up, I'm just not as quick to call it malice.


ĎMaliceí isnít a word Iím sure Iíd use either.

But it was definitely a dick move by him no matter how ya slice it.
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