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Matt Waldman film room--Sam Darnold

Milton : 2/7/2018 3:12 am
Points out the mechanical issues, but for the most part an encouraging profile. I still prefer Rosen, but I'd be happy with Darnold. And if I were a Browns fan I might just prefer Darnold over Rosen.
p.s.--Comparing their mechanics, you can see how Rosen was the former tennis player and Darnold the former basketball player.
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Not a fan of Rosen  
Tom from LI : 2/7/2018 6:22 am : link
I would prefer Darnold, Barkley, Mayfield, Chubb or trade down.
What Tom said.  
Red Dog : 2/7/2018 6:52 am : link
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My Hope Is...  
Jim in Tampa : 2/7/2018 6:59 am : link
That the Browns select Barkley, Allen or Mayfield and leave both Darnold and Rosen for the Giants.

Although I too prefer Rosen I'd feel better if the Giants had the choice of the top two QBs, so that they don't have to settle for the 2nd best one.
I said this yesterday.  
Brown Recluse : 2/7/2018 7:00 am : link
Not worried about the mechanics with Pat Shurmur here. He won't be playing this year anyway. He's got all the physical tools, and he'll stay upright. I'll take Darnold. Let Pat Shurmur do his thing and polish him up. Hopefully when Eli is gone, Darnold can step right in and keep the team humming.

That said, lets draft Barkley. :)
Milton...  
M.S. : 2/7/2018 7:03 am : link
...that very first throw of Darnold's was a reincarnation of Sonny Jurgensen!!! Same exact wind-up.
Shurmur is the QB coach, he is the HC  
twostepgiants : 2/7/2018 7:20 am : link
We cant afford our HC to be spending his team teaching a rookie new "mechanics"

People on this site worry about the HC calling plays but want him to spend his time doing QB drills?

And Shurmurs expertise is in offenses designed to his players strengths, not teaching QBs new mechanics
I would be happy with either one  
ZogZerg : 2/7/2018 7:22 am : link
They both have pros and cons, but they also both seem to be a step above the rest of the field.
Why not?  
UConn4523 : 2/7/2018 7:23 am : link
donít make t sound like Shurmur wouldnít have heavy input on coaching up the QB of his team regardless of which rookie it is. He will work with the OC and be heavily involved, how is that wanted time at the most important position in sports?
If we draft Rosen  
Tom from LI : 2/7/2018 7:33 am : link
we better hope that Webb is good.. because Rosen is no Iron Man and Webb will see plenty of playing time...
RE: Shurmur is the QB coach, he is the HC  
Brown Recluse : 2/7/2018 7:35 am : link
In comment 13824671 twostepgiants said:
Quote:
We cant afford our HC to be spending his team teaching a rookie new "mechanics"

People on this site worry about the HC calling plays but want him to spend his time doing QB drills?

And Shurmurs expertise is in offenses designed to his players strengths, not teaching QBs new mechanics


Hahaha.
Yeah. WTH are you talking about, two step?  
Beezer : 2/7/2018 7:42 am : link
I think itíll work into their routines somehow. lol
I really like Rosen AND Darnold, but for different reasons  
Heisenberg : 2/7/2018 8:09 am : link
Rosen's passing is beautiful. He feels like a guy that can shred defenses when he learns the NFL. But Darnold has that playmaking and leadership vibe. He feels like the guy you don't want to leave two minutes on the clock for.

For Rosen, I feel like the health is the major concern. Concussions, shoulder injuries and slight frame worry me. But, when healthy, I feel most confident that he's an NFL QB.

For Darnold, I worry about him being able to play within a complex NFL offense. I wonder if he'll be a little like Eli where two minute drill Darnold is the most consistent Darnold.

Either way, I'd find reasons to be happy and concerned about each as a pick.
I like Darnold best  
UberAlias : 2/7/2018 8:25 am : link
I think he's going to be a star. But I like Rosen too and think both will be good. I think both will rise to the level of a M Stafford or M Ryan, possibly better.
No more statues under center  
LG in NYC : 2/7/2018 9:44 am : link
I want a QB who can move around and make plays with more than just his arm.

If Darnold is that guy, then lets get him.

Rosen is not that guy.
Hey Milton...  
Dan in the Springs : 2/7/2018 9:47 am : link
What did you mean by saying if you were a Browns fan you might prefer Darnold?
RE: Shurmur is the QB coach, he is the HC  
Alex_Webster : 2/7/2018 11:37 am : link
In comment 13824671 twostepgiants said:
Quote:
We cant afford our HC to be spending his team teaching a rookie new "mechanics"

People on this site worry about the HC calling plays but want him to spend his time doing QB drills?

And Shurmurs expertise is in offenses designed to his players strengths, not teaching QBs new mechanics


Coughlin did it with Tiki's fumbling.
RE: Hey Milton...  
Milton : 2/7/2018 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13824858 Dan in the Springs said:
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What did you mean by saying if you were a Browns fan you might prefer Darnold?
I think Darnold is a one-size-fits-all kind of QB who could excel in both a WCO and a vertical play-action offense (although I think the WCO would be ideal) whereas I think Rosen is more of a pure pocket passer who is best suited for the vertical play action offense. I'm no student of Hue Jackson and the Cleveland offense, but my impression is that they lean heavily towards a WCO (ergo the interview with Ben McAdoo).

Shurmer seems to be system-adaptable and will play to his QBs strengths. I always thought Eli was strictly a vertical play-action QB and that it was a mistake for the Giants to move to the WCO these past few years. I could be wrong about that, particularly if you believe that Eli has lost his long ball (because throwing deep is the whole point of a vertical offense that buys time via play action).

And just like with offenses, I think Darnold is the most one-size-fits-all when it comes to the city where he will play. You could put him in Cleveland, put him in NYC, put him in Denver, Arizona, Miami, Buffalo, you name it and he'll fit in fine with the fans and the city. That may not be as true of Rosen, who--given his political outspokenness--is probably best situated in a cosmopolitan city like NYC than a blue collar city like Cleveland.

As the Cleveland GM it would be more important for me to clarify expectations re: his outspokenness than it would be as GM of the Giants or Jets. As the GM of the Giants, my only red flag with Rosen would be the shoulder injuries (he had one as a tennis player that would've required surgery had he not given up the sport and then he had the one we all know about at UCLA in which he did have shoulder surgery). I see the concussions as more of red herring than a red flag. I think Justin Pugh is more likely to cut his career short because of concussions than Josh Rosen (or any QB for that matter). As the GM of the Browns, his outspokenness and politics would be more likely to be considered a red flag.

I use words like "might" and "likely" because these are things that need to be hashed out during the interview process. Rosen's coachability extends beyond the football field and I think he would be reasonable if his coach told him to cool it with things that might alienate the fanbase.
RE: Shurmur is the QB coach, he is the HC  
chopperhatch : 2/7/2018 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13824671 twostepgiants said:
Quote:
We cant afford our HC to be spending his team teaching a rookie new "mechanics"

People on this site worry about the HC calling plays but want him to spend his time doing QB drills?

And Shurmurs expertise is in offenses designed to his players strengths, not teaching QBs new mechanics


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