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Jon in NYC : 2/6/2018 7:35 pm
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Stunner: Patriotsí OC Josh McDaniels has decided NOT to accept Coltsí HC job and will remain with New England, sources told ESPN.
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Perfect.  
St. Jimmy : 2/6/2018 10:40 pm : link
Hire one of the Eagle coordinators. Preferably Reich. I liked what I saw from Jim Shwartz in the Superbowl.
RE: Maybe Luck's medicals were not  
GFAN52 : 2/6/2018 10:40 pm : link
In comment 13824537 DonQuixote said:
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what McDaniels was told.


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FWIW: On Sunday, ESPN's @mortreport reported there still are doctors who have concerns about Andrew Luck's shoulder and whether he could wind up needing additional surgery.
RE: RE: RE: Could BB Have Informed Kraft After The Super Bowl...  
fanofthejets : 2/6/2018 10:42 pm : link
In comment 13824521 FStubbs said:
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That he (BB) would be done after 2018?

If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.



If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too



Of course they have - he's an employee of the New England Patriots.


But hold on, do you really want owners plotting revenge on other owner because they were upset for being caught cheating again?

I'm not saying this incident is illegal. I'm saying it's low class, unethical, and vengeful. As if he's the first coach to still be under contract with a team while building his new team. Funny when things like this happen once again the Patriots are at the center of it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Could BB Have Informed Kraft After The Super Bowl...  
YAJ2112 : 2/6/2018 10:43 pm : link
In comment 13824541 fanofthejets said:
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That he (BB) would be done after 2018?

If so, that could have been why Kraft made the offer to McDaniels this late.



If I'm Colts ownership I'd like to know if Kraft and McDaniels have been in regular contact over the past few weeks. Text messages and whereabouts. Just to see. It's your job to get to the bottom of this too



Of course they have - he's an employee of the New England Patriots.



But hold on, do you really want owners plotting revenge on other owner because they were upset for being caught cheating again?

I'm not saying this incident is illegal. I'm saying it's low class, unethical, and vengeful. As if he's the first coach to still be under contract with a team while building his new team. Funny when things like this happen once again the Patriots are at the center of it.


go away
RE: RE: I donít fault him for having a change of heart  
fanofthejets : 2/6/2018 10:50 pm : link
In comment 13824534 DonQuixote said:
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He may have been genuinely enticed about a career growth move especially after the espn report about the supposed rift. And interview requests come fast and furious in the middle of 100 hour work weeks preparing for the playoffs. But when he did his due diligence and talked it over with his family he realized he had happiness where he was. Iím in the corporate world and see successful candidates regularly turn down offers even after multiple interviews. Itís not unusual



He could have done that two weeks ago,


Exactly. So this happens just as they were hyping the press conference on the Colts site for TOMORROW. All it took was one call from Kraft and everything is ironed out and set in stone in New England and your lawyers have reviewed all the paperwork (and you damn well better get it in writing that Belichick will retire by date X and you will be the coach, and if he decided to stay you will get massive financial compensation because no team will hire you to coach again)

All this about face happened this fast? You've hired assistants and are about to do the press conference.

Too many pieces fell into place too fast
Diana Russini from espn  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/7/2018 12:08 am : link
Spoke with several members of what was supposed to be McDanielsí Indy coaching staff. They have not heard from Josh McDaniels regarding the change of heart. Just as blindsided as the rest of us. #Colts
9:51 PM - Feb 6, 2018 ∑ Manhattan, NY
RE: Perfect.  
montanagiant : 2/7/2018 1:20 am : link
In comment 13824538 St. Jimmy said:
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Hire one of the Eagle coordinators. Preferably Reich. I liked what I saw from Jim Shwartz in the Superbowl.


He gave up 33 points and over 500 yards passing w/ 3 Passing TD's. He got fucking lucky his offense bailed him out
You liked what you saw from Jim Schwartz?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/7/2018 2:35 am : link
Was your tv covered in buffalo wing sauce?
RE: Of course  
BMac : 2/7/2018 5:26 am : link
In comment 13824308 Defenderdawg said:
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Capt. Andrew Luck (@CaptAndrewLuck)
2/6/18, 8:00 PM
Dearest mother ó
I write with most distressful news. The men have been hoodwinked. The deserter McDaniels is on the lamb, likely headed toward New England, my best scouts report. Was this a ploy to merely spy? We shall never know. Irritating.
ó Andrew


I never knew McDaniels was into sheep.
RE: RE: Maybe Luck's medicals were not  
FStubbs : 2/7/2018 6:25 am : link
In comment 13824539 GFAN52 said:
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what McDaniels was told.



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FWIW: On Sunday, ESPN's @mortreport reported there still are doctors who have concerns about Andrew Luck's shoulder and whether he could wind up needing additional surgery.


And right here, this is probably the whole story. Nothing to see here anymore.

One wonders if Luck will ever be back, much less anything like what he was - and when McDaniels got the word he backed out ASAP.
RE: You liked what you saw from Jim Schwartz?  
crick n NC : 2/7/2018 7:28 am : link
In comment 13824638 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Was your tv covered in buffalo wing sauce?


That's funny
totally unprofessional  
bc4life : 2/7/2018 7:28 am : link
lot of people made decisions based on what McDaniels told them. anything that made him change his mind - he had more than ample time to consider before this.
The plan better be for him to get the Pats gig  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/7/2018 7:40 am : link
after BB retires because he's going to be hard pressed to get hired as HC from another team after this stunt.
Why would anyone want to follow Belichick?  
Sean : 2/7/2018 7:41 am : link
That is an impossible job.
Irsay was so angry  
jeff57 : 2/7/2018 8:28 am : link


That he loaded up the moving trucks and had them drive around the Dome 50 times.
Maybe the guy  
ryanmkeane : 2/7/2018 8:44 am : link
just doesn't want to coach in Indy and work for Jim Irsay? Could be that simple.
RE: Maybe the guy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/7/2018 9:06 am : link
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just doesn't want to coach in Indy and work for Jim Irsay? Could be that simple.


Totally understandable.

What's not understandable is doing all the interviews, taking the job, scheduling a press conference, hiring staff, and THEN hitting the eject button.
Their GM is holding a PC at 11am....  
Britt in VA : 2/7/2018 9:22 am : link
that ought to be good.
I know a couple of guys  
NNJ Tom : 2/7/2018 9:38 am : link
who had serious doubts about getting married on the morning of the wedding. Both said f@ck it, and went thru with it.

Both were divorced in under 18 months. Both were financially ruined and have been miserable ever since.

Moral of the Story, it's never too late to change your mind.
In the end, you need to do what's best for #1.
RE: Their GM is holding a PC at 11am....  
Heisenberg : 2/7/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 13824795 Britt in VA said:
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that ought to be good.


Must watch. Where do the Colts go from here? McAdoo? lol
Unreal he had them hire guys  
Rflairr : 2/7/2018 9:49 am : link
To their staff only for him to back out. Thatís unbelievable. And I really have no doubt who Gettleman was talking about, when insinuated one the guys they interviewed wasnít a grown up.
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Tittle 9 20 64 : 2/7/2018 10:06 am : link
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that ought to be good.



Must watch. Where do the Colts go from here? McAdoo? lol


Bet he downplays the entire situation, stating they have everything under control.
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Britt in VA : 2/7/2018 10:07 am : link
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that ought to be good.



Must watch. Where do the Colts go from here? McAdoo? lol



Bet he downplays the entire situation, stating they have everything under control.


I think there's a decent chance he destroys McDaniels, and he should.
RE: Unreal he had them hire guys  
Britt in VA : 2/7/2018 10:07 am : link
In comment 13824864 Rflairr said:
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To their staff only for him to back out. Thatís unbelievable. And I really have no doubt who Gettleman was talking about, when insinuated one the guys they interviewed wasnít a grown up.


And that's not just messing with a business, that's messing with families.

Zero integrity.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Their GM is holding a PC at 11am....  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 2/7/2018 10:10 am : link
In comment 13824905 Britt in VA said:
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that ought to be good.



Must watch. Where do the Colts go from here? McAdoo? lol



Bet he downplays the entire situation, stating they have everything under control.



I think there's a decent chance he destroys McDaniels, and he should.


Agree and hope he does. GMís generally donít handle things that way.
No, but this is a unique situation.  
Britt in VA : 2/7/2018 10:11 am : link
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I think of it like this ...  
DonQuixote : 2/7/2018 10:12 am : link
If you made a deal, then back out because you had cold feet, fine, back out. But that's on you. Never make the deal, involve other peoples' lives and then get cold feet. That's BS.

However, if you make a deal and then the circumstances change all of a sudden, then you are free to do what you want.

You can say all you want about doing what's right for you family, blah de blah. I agree, but those conversations could have happened WAY earlier, before you make a commitment to others. The bottom line is that his assistants signed contracts before he did, and then he backed out. That is unambiguous. In my view, that person lacks integrity.
RE: Unreal he had them hire guys  
DonQuixote : 2/7/2018 10:13 am : link
In comment 13824864 Rflairr said:
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To their staff only for him to back out. Thatís unbelievable. And I really have no doubt who Gettleman was talking about, when insinuated one the guys they interviewed wasnít a grown up.

interesting post
RE: RE: Maybe Luck's medicals were not  
KeoweeFan : 2/7/2018 10:21 am : link
In comment 13824539 GFAN52 said:
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what McDaniels was told.



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FWIW: On Sunday, ESPN's @mortreport reported there still are doctors who have concerns about Andrew Luck's shoulder and whether he could wind up needing additional surgery.

Yes. If McD found out at the last minute that he was intentionally mis-informed about Luck's condition then the story changes.
RE: I know a couple of guys  
an_idol_mind : 2/7/2018 10:34 am : link
In comment 13824839 NNJ Tom said:
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who had serious doubts about getting married on the morning of the wedding. Both said f@ck it, and went thru with it.

Both were divorced in under 18 months. Both were financially ruined and have been miserable ever since.

Moral of the Story, it's never too late to change your mind.
In the end, you need to do what's best for #1.


Not quite comparable. McDaniels just screwed with the lives of all his potential assistants and their families.
by the way  
djm : 2/7/2018 10:57 am : link
I called this shit last year. I said the Pats would pull some more more bullshit soon because it's what they do. Every year or two years they pull some garbage. Never. Fucking. Fails. Kraft is a piece of shit.

Go ahead and tell me that the NFL was wrong to go after the Pats for the stupid petty shit and tell me that the NFL just wanted to be petty. Try and convince me.

The pats are fucking dirty. It's as clear as day.
PC Starting now....  
Britt in VA : 2/7/2018 11:09 am : link
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From Dave Diehl:  
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.@davediehl66 on McDaniels situation: The coach I spoke to last night who was going to be on that staff is now looking for a job...He had other options...and as of 10:15 last night he still hadn't spoken to Josh McDaniels and today he has to figure out the future of his coaching
Is Irsay there?  
figgy2989 : 2/7/2018 11:19 am : link
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RE: Is Irsay there?  
Britt in VA : 2/7/2018 11:21 am : link
In comment 13825034 figgy2989 said:
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Probably, but not on camera. Feed froze up on me, so not watching anymore.

Ballard was diplomatic.
Got ya...  
figgy2989 : 2/7/2018 11:22 am : link
The Irsay reaction would be worth the price of admission.
RE: You liked what you saw from Jim Schwartz?  
St. Jimmy : 2/7/2018 11:43 am : link
In comment 13824638 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Was your tv covered in buffalo wing sauce?
Yes, I like when the Eagles give up lots of points. I fine with him remaining their defensive coordinator.
Casserly claims that McDaniels pursued Colts not the other way around  
montanagiant : 2/7/2018 11:46 am : link
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Our guy @CharleyCasserly is swinging on McDaniels: "He burned bridges he doesn't even know about." Says he was told McDaniels pursued the Colts job. "Shame on him."

8:36 AM - 7 Feb 2018
RE: I canít blame McDaniels  
djm : 2/7/2018 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13824394 Les in TO said:
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Family stability is a key reason why he decided to stay in NE and with 4 kids and the impact it had on them when he took the Denver and St. Louis jobs, I can get the reason why he decided to stay. Not to mention it is Indiana and a crappy team. perhaps Kraft assured him verbally that he will be Grumpy Lobster Boat Captainís successor when the time comes for him to retire.


Try again. You can most definitely blame him.
RE: Could this be a setup from day 1?  
djm : 2/7/2018 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13824439 fanofthejets said:
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How do we even know this wasn't a scheme from day 1 with McDaniels never intending to take the job and Kraft just plotting his revenge for being caught cheating(again)?

Would you put it past him?


This was clearly a setup from day one. I refuse to believe that McDaniel suddenly had a change of heart but even if he did it's still a terrible job by McD and the Pats. Why do I think this is shady? Because the Pats get caught doing something shady every other year.
RE: I know a couple of guys  
djm : 2/7/2018 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13824839 NNJ Tom said:
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who had serious doubts about getting married on the morning of the wedding. Both said f@ck it, and went thru with it.

Both were divorced in under 18 months. Both were financially ruined and have been miserable ever since.

Moral of the Story, it's never too late to change your mind.
In the end, you need to do what's best for #1.


Again, for the 100th time. IT'S THE PATS. This shit happens time and time and time again. Going all the way back to when Big and Little Bill left the Jets high and dry. Little Bill took the job and then quit one day later and went to.........wait for it....THE PATS.

That franchise is fucking garbage. They make Dallas look clean and ethical.
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Les in TO : 2/7/2018 3:34 pm : link
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Try again. You can most definitely blame him.
the timing sucks and I sympathize if some of the staff who agreed to join him in anticipation that the deal would be formalized,formally resigned from their positions or said no to other interviews or will not otherwise be retained by the colts.

I believe that the last few weeks were a whirlwind for him between getting ready for the playoffs, the wickersham report and the interviews. he was lured by the money, legacy and career advancement opportunity of being a head coach again, but was persuaded by a last ditch pitch for more money, an extension and mentorship by BB so that he may one say succeed him and/or be better prepared for when he does accept a coach or coach/GM position going forward. And yeah, when you have a family, including 4 kids, things like stability and consistency do matter. he likely did not have the time or the space to consider all of that during the last few weeks.

people can make him seem like a villain, but I don't think it's as black and white as that.
Les  
djm : 2/7/2018 3:39 pm : link
is every HC candidate pulled this crap or even 1/4 of them pulled this crap the league would be in shambles.

There's no other way to paint this. It's a terrible job by the Pats. And I blame them. Why? Because they are shady. Always.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/7/2018 3:44 pm : link
What a dick. Can you imagine if this had happened to us?
RE: Les  
Les in TO : 2/7/2018 3:53 pm : link
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is every HC candidate pulled this crap or even 1/4 of them pulled this crap the league would be in shambles.

There's no other way to paint this. It's a terrible job by the Pats. And I blame them. Why? Because they are shady. Always.
it's rare that a head coaching candidate has a change of heart at the last minute. most will gladly take a job that offers them more money, control and legacy opportunities than a coordinator role, so it's unlikely to be the norm.

I don't blame the Pats or Kraft. They made a pitch to a valuable employee to stay instead of taking his skill set and institutional knowledge to the competition. They were within their rights to do so and have not broken any laws. McDaniels is not a slave and no one was forcing him to stay. Maybe they made a similar pitch to Matt Patricia and he decided to move forward with his opportunity.

mcdaniels gets a raise, extension and a chance to be mentored by the GOAT while keeping his kids in the same schools. there was a good chance he would be 1 or 2 years and done in indy and then he would be back to square one, especially if grumpy lobster boat captain retires in the interim.
I can see it now  
montanagiant : 2/7/2018 4:52 pm : link
BB retires next year as does Brady and Grownkoski
Pats turn shitty real quick like
McDaniels gets fired as HC after 2 years and has no option as HC in the NFL
wow!  
xtian : 2/7/2018 7:20 pm : link
feel so sorry for the colts. no reason for any other team to trust him with an interview now. i wouldn't!
Its perfectly legit to have questions about Luck, etc.  
PatersonPlank : 2/7/2018 8:27 pm : link
but don't sign the contract. Once you do its a commitment. What a dick.
Part of McDaniels decision based on learning more  
Giantimistic : 2/7/2018 11:28 pm : link
I found this very interesting in regards to McDaniels last minute decision.

Belichick told McDaniels that he would spend more time with him on the inner workings of the Patriots, including roster construction and salary-cap management, which was viewed as "extremely valuable" to McDaniels.

I found what he did to be BS as others have articulated in regards to his selfishness regarding the coaches that were supposed to go work for him.

However, what I find interesting if this article is true, is that Belichick has a master plan for how the Patriots work that he does not completely share with others. It could be part of the reason that his assistants fail other places when they try to replicate his system. I think Belichick is on a whole other level of thought and finds assistant coaches that fill a skill set, like he does with his players. They each do the job that they are asked and collectively the sum is greater than the parts.

I do not think what Belichick has created can be replicated because part of the success of the system includes him and his brain. I think that despite being an ass and going about this all wrong, Mcdaniels realized that he needed to learn more about all aspects of Belichick's ways and maybe the best way to replicate his system is to continue with what he has put in place.
Tuesday morning meeting with Bill Belichick convinced Josh McDaniels to change his mind - ( New Window )
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Banks : 2/7/2018 11:49 pm : link
He has done nothing to help his rep. I didn't think he would pull something like this though. I haven't followed his hiring like many here, but wasn't this in the works for a pretty long time? It's been unofficial for what seems like forever. He deserves all the shit that he's gonna get moving forward.
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